Non-Penguins Offseason Moves 2014

[Penspal]

Vlad Sobotka signed a 3 year deal in the KHL

That's a bigger loss than people realize. I like Sobotka's game.

Yep, a big loss for sure. One of the best faceoff takers in the league

[Tomas]

The timing of the Ott deal makes sense. No question Ott is their silver or bronze medal here...Sobotka was leaps and bounds better than him down the stretch for St. Louis...

Sobotka gets $4 mil per year in the KHL, opt-out after each of the year of the deal to go back to the NHL...

Really odd for Sobotka to leave. Just like it was odd for Armstrong to publicly state term/money amounts offered to Sobotka. Armstrong stated they offered him anywhere from 1-5 years term, north of 3M a year. Was going to the KHL really worth less than 1M extra a year?

I blame Petr Svoboda....as it is rumored that Sobotka just hired him as his agent....after Sobotka left Svoboda in favor of Steve Bartlett a few months ago. Odd all around.

Actually, the first Svoboda and the second Svoboda are 2 different people, not related to each other (see both of them here: http://www.nhlpa.com/inside-nhlpa/certi ... agent?ln=S" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. His current agent is the ex-MTL player).

According to this article, GM Armstrong says they offered him $2.7M / 1 year or $3M/year for 2 years.

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According to Czech media, the Omsk contract is $4/year for 3 years BUT Sobotka has the option to return to NHL after the 1st or the 2nd year without any need to compensate Omsk. So it's basically a sequence of 3 one-year contracts with the player's option to renew.

Importantly, the $4M is after-tax, so it's basically equivalent to $7M in the US.

[meow]

Lundquist and Talbot aren't a tandem, though. Without looking, I can't picture Talbot starting more than 18 games last season.

Talbot started 21 games and was very good with a .941 save% and 1.64 GAA.

He only started 19 games and while his numbers were very good, they are not a tandem.

[silentom]

Vlad Sobotka signed a 3 year deal in the KHL

That's a bigger loss than people realize. I like Sobotka's game.

Yep, a big loss for sure. One of the best faceoff takers in the league

In mother Russia, faceoff wins you.

[FLPensFan]

David Moss signing in Switzerland. 2 year deal with a 1 week out clause, should he find NHL work in the next week. Per Andy Strickland.

[slappybrown]

Vlad Sobotka signed a 3 year deal in the KHL

That's a bigger loss than people realize. I like Sobotka's game.

Here's one for you that you'll like then:



Blue bar is Corsi when they are on the ice with Sobotka, red is without him.

The Blues have 3.5 mm left against the cap even after signing Ott. They are paying 2.6mm a year for two years. Add another 1.4 which probably gets you Sobotka even though his 4mm in Russia is net, and you still have 2mm left. Dumb move letting him go.

[ville5]

So T.J. Oshie is the only ones who's corsi improved without Sobotka. Odd.

[mikey287]

Strong correlation of lazy and/or less talented players benefitting from Sobotka's game - which is 100% work and 200% grind. He left over $300K. The Blues offered $2.7 mil on 1 year, he asked for $3 mil. Blues would not negotiate. He walked.

[PensFanInDC]

[SolidSnake]

Dubinsky reupped with Columbus

[canaan]

Brenden Morrow to TBL 1 yr/1.55

[canaan]

Dubinsky reupped with Columbus

he got 6 years, 5.85 a year

[penny lane]

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[slappybrown]

Strong correlation of lazy and/or less talented players benefitting from Sobotka's game - which is 100% work and 200% grind. He left over $300K. The Blues offered $2.7 mil on 1 year, he asked for $3 mil. Blues would not negotiate. He walked.

Actually, last month they apparently went 3 and 3+:

Andy Strickland @andystrickland

[Blues GM Doug] Armstrong on Sobotka....says he offered contracts ranging from 1-5 years. 3yr deal offered north of $3 million per #stlblues

[brwi]

Dubinsky reupped with Columbus

he got 6 years, 5.85 a year

Lot of money and term for a Michael Peca-type player, but he was already making the $$$, so not surprising. Glad the Pens aren't carrying that contract because Dubinsky isn't that good and eats-up salary cap room.

[Tomas]

Strong correlation of lazy and/or less talented players benefitting from Sobotka's game - which is 100% work and 200% grind. He left over $300K. The Blues offered $2.7 mil on 1 year, he asked for $3 mil. Blues would not negotiate. He walked.

Actually, last month they apparently went 3 and 3+:

Andy Strickland @andystrickland

[Blues GM Doug] Armstrong on Sobotka....says he offered contracts ranging from 1-5 years. 3yr deal offered north of $3 million per #stlblues

But as Mikey said (and today Sobotka confirmed directly during his press conference), the player wanted a 1-year contract (I'm guessing he wanted to negotiate freely next year). And STL indeed would not negotiate about the $300K that were between what the team offered and what Sobotka wanted in order to stay. If Sobotka strongly felt he is worth more than $3 mil after next year, signing a multi-year contract at around $3 mil/year (the 2-year contract was exactly at $3 mil) did not make sense.

[slappybrown]

Refusing to give him the 300k was really stupid, particularly given they gave most of that money to Ott anyways.

[SolidSnake]

Dubinsky reupped with Columbus

he got 6 years, 5.85 a year

Thanks I was at work and had to hurry back and get off my phone

[pens2005]

Dubinsky reupped with Columbus

he got 6 years, 5.85 a year

Lot of money and term for a Michael Peca-type player, but he was already making the $$$, so not surprising. Glad the Pens aren't carrying that contract because Dubinsky isn't that good and eats-up salary cap room.

That salary is just atrocious for Columbus on so many levels. Teams continue to bury themselves in cap nightmare.

[bhaw]

It would be a cap nightmare if Columbus spent to the cap. They have $16M in space left with basically just Johansen left to sign. The team overpaid Dubinsky for sure, but it's not really a concern to pay him a little extra to keep him.

[pens2005]

Columbus has their own personal cap that they don't want to go over and they've reached it.

So to me, they didn't spend their money wisely at all.

[canaan]

what is RyJo asking for that makes Jarmo sign that deal for Dubinsky?

[Idoit40fans]

I can't remember what he's asking for but they're really far apart. He wants to be paid as if he's a perennial 30 goal scorer rather than a player who has played one good season.

[shmenguin]

Think he also wants UFA money as an RFA.

[MRandall25]

I've heard the disagreement is more term than money. He wants long years, but CBJ isn't willing to budge on more than like a 3 year deal.