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I cannot bring myself to root for Chicago anymore.... that really sucks
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Yeah, the report is 12 years, $62M. Chicago took a page from Detroit on this one, which to me, if it is legal, then do it.Corvidae wrote:5.2? Damn, I didn't see that. Another front load garbage contract that annoys my to no end, I guess. Too bad. I really liked Chicago.newarenanow wrote:I don't think a $5.2M cap hit for Hossa is that bad. That is what we are paying Gonchar. And we still were able to sign Sid, Fluery, Malkin, and Staal. And still win the Cup.Corvidae wrote:Chicago is screwed. They're going to lose so many good players and they still don't have a decent second line center.
I hope they fix it in the next CBA, but for right now, if you have a guy in his 30s, this is a great deal.
Yeah, if he took $7-8M, then I agree, they'd be a little tighter.
But that extra $2-3M could go a long way, and who knows, maybe Toews and Kane see that the ownership are trying to bring top flight vets to the team, so they will take a little hometown discount.
I still like the Hawks. I always have except in 92 when we played them in the Finals.
I still don't mind Hossa too much.
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If Chicago plays Detroit in the finals next year, who do we root for? I think I'd have to go with Chicago... as long as they then lose to Pittsburgh!
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I'd root for Chicago big time. I hate Detroit. Have since the mid 90s. I've always like Chicago, even with Hossa on it now.Corvidae wrote:If Chicago plays Detroit in the finals next year, who do we root for? I think I'd have to go with Chicago... as long as they then lose to Pittsburgh!
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Hossa may retire next year if he gets beat in the Finals again...especially against Pittsburgh.
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I'm still not a fan of Hossa but Chicago doesn't bug me (right now, anyway...)
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Im in for getting this to 100!
I do admit this makes me like CHI a lot less. Part of it may be Hossa, but the main part was them bringing up the young talent and devloping into contenders. I liked watching them like the Pens of years before.
I do admit this makes me like CHI a lot less. Part of it may be Hossa, but the main part was them bringing up the young talent and devloping into contenders. I liked watching them like the Pens of years before.
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Do you? I hope they 'fix' it after we sign Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, etc to some awesome front-loaded contracts (of course, Mario will be able to pay for it due to the increased revenue from the CEC!)newarenanow wrote:Corvidae wrote:Yeah, the report is 12 years, $62M. Chicago took a page from Detroit on this one, which to me, if it is legal, then do it.newarenanow wrote:
5.2? Damn, I didn't see that. Another front load garbage contract that annoys my to no end, I guess. Too bad. I really liked Chicago.
I hope they fix it in the next CBA, but for right now, if you have a guy in his 30s, this is a great deal.
Yeah, if he took $7-8M, then I agree, they'd be a little tighter.
But that extra $2-3M could go a long way, and who knows, maybe Toews and Kane see that the ownership are trying to bring top flight vets to the team, so they will take a little hometown discount.
I still like the Hawks. I always have except in 92 when we played them in the Finals.
I still don't mind Hossa too much.
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Just want to remind everyone that I HATE these front loaded deals SOOOOOOO much. I'll probably make a thread about it in a few days, like I do every year. Coming soon to a NPR forum near you.
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Penguins finances < Detroit, Chicago, Colorado, Dallas, New York... and the list goes on. So yes, I do hope they "fix it," or else the lockout will have been pointless. The large markets have the major edge again.CKA24 wrote:Do you? I hope they 'fix' it after we sign Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, etc to some awesome front-loaded contracts (of course, Mario will be able to pay for it due to the increased revenue from the CEC!)
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I don't think the lockout was pointless, these long term deals only knock the cap down by a $1M or so. And they are risky in that the player needs to retire before the deal is up, or be traded. Yes, it's an advantage, but it's still 100Xs better than it was before the cap.Corvidae wrote:Penguins finances < Detroit, Chicago, Colorado, Dallas, New York... and the list goes on. So yes, I do hope they "fix it," or else the lockout will have been pointless. The large markets have the major edge again.CKA24 wrote:Do you? I hope they 'fix' it after we sign Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, etc to some awesome front-loaded contracts (of course, Mario will be able to pay for it due to the increased revenue from the CEC!)
But yes, you pretty much have to be a large market to do this, and it is an edge.
But I don't think the lockout was pointless as there is still a ton more balance out there. If not for the lockout and the cap, Hossa would still be in Detroit, and after these contracts were up for Sid and Malkin, they'd probably be getting $15MM deals.
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I agree, NAN. "Pointless" was a massive overstatement by me, but damn do I hate those deals. Hossa's cap hit goes down by what? 3, 4 million? I can't see him playing past 38.
EDIT: OK, it is only about 2. I keep seeing different numbers ever five minutes!
EDIT: OK, it is only about 2. I keep seeing different numbers ever five minutes!
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I don't think the Pens will be able to do that though, I think the big attraction in these long deals is the hope/thought that the guy signing will retire before it's over and you pay a reduced rate for the 3/4 of the contract they play. For the Pens to do that with Sid and Geno next time around they'd have to give them 15 year deals and I don't think RS would do that.CKA24 wrote:Do you? I hope they 'fix' it after we sign Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, etc to some awesome front-loaded contracts (of course, Mario will be able to pay for it due to the increased revenue from the CEC!)
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I think Shero has made it pretty clear that he generally doesn't like those long contracts.
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If he retires at 38, and the if the rumors are true that he will received around $55MM over the first 7 years, then yeah, they save around $2.5-3MM per year.Corvidae wrote:I agree, NAN. "Pointless" was a massive overstatement by me, but damn do I hate those deals. Hossa's cap hit goes down by what? 3, 4 million? I can't see him playing past 38.
But it's also a big risk they are taking. If Hossa decides not to retire, or they can't trade him, then they have a 40 year old taking a decent cap hit.
I do think in the next CBA, you will see a new rule in place where if a team signs a guy over X amount of years, and said player retires (unless due to injury), the hit will be 50% or something of the original contract.
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Ah, you just beat my edit. I saw a bunch of different numbers and at first it looked like 9 million for the frist years of his deal. This isn't as bad, in fact it's not even as bad as the Vinny L. deal.
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Plus with Sid and Geno being only 25 on when their next deals come around, I don't think they'd want to commit to that long of a deal.beerman wrote:I don't think the Pens will be able to do that though, I think the big attraction in these long deals is the hope/thought that the guy signing will retire before it's over and you pay a reduced rate for the 3/4 of the contract they play. For the Pens to do that with Sid and Geno next time around they'd have to give them 15 year deals and I don't think RS would do that.CKA24 wrote:Do you? I hope they 'fix' it after we sign Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, etc to some awesome front-loaded contracts (of course, Mario will be able to pay for it due to the increased revenue from the CEC!)
These deals generally work if the player is in their 30s, and the team has a ton of money to spend.
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Corvidae wrote:Just want to remind everyone that I HATE these front loaded deals SOOOOOOO much. I'll probably make a thread about it in a few days, like I do every year. Coming soon to a NPR forum near you.
I look forward to it. This is a loophole that needs to be fixed badly.
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Hossa sure likes bird/bird themed teams.
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will hossa be booed or laughed at next time he is in pittsburgh?
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I am wondering how The Joe will react on Hossa's return (will they be "knuckleheads"?)
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They'll cheer him because they aren't whiners like pens fansJeffDFD wrote:I am wondering how The Joe will react on Hossa's return (will they be "knuckleheads"?)