He did not?Kovy27 wrote:O.M.G. When did Hossa sign with Detroit?!
The last I heard was that Ray Shero and Ritch Winter were still working on a long-term contract extension.
i heard his agent and team president flew to mississippi to ask him not to report to camp. fact?Pitts wrote:I heard he was in Sweden taking his good old sweet time deciding his future.Member wrote:He did not?Kovy27 wrote:O.M.G. When did Hossa sign with Detroit?!
The last I heard was that Ray Shero and Ritch Winter were still working on a long-term contract extension.
I heard Bill Parcells put his man tits in his face.canaan wrote:i heard his agent and team president flew to mississippi to ask him not to report to camp. fact?Pitts wrote:I heard he was in Sweden taking his good old sweet time deciding his future.Member wrote:He did not?Kovy27 wrote:O.M.G. When did Hossa sign with Detroit?!
The last I heard was that Ray Shero and Ritch Winter were still working on a long-term contract extension.
Private phone calls are not equal to a handshake remark at center ice of the defending teams arena.Ron` wrote:I've stayed out of this till now, Jesse he is a member of the Wings Management team, the head coach. It's tampering aka the Brett Favre Minn Vikings phone calls. IF true, and that's a big IF.Jesse wrote:As someone above me said, it MAY be tampering in spirit.crzymike wrote:Technically it is. If you ever hear RS talk about a player from an opposing team, he's very careful as to what he says because of the tampering rule. You can acknowledge a players talented but to remotely suggest you should come play with ''us'' is something that shouldn't occur until july first. It's definitely an unethical tactic to say the least.Jesse wrote:Haha, so let me get this straight. If Pavel Datsyuk skates up to Sidney Crosby before the faceoff of a game and says, "Hey, you're pretty good. Come play for us".
That's tampering?
No. It isn't.
Tampering assumes negotiation. I doubt Babcock offered him a contract in the hand shake line.
Players talking amongst themselves is one thing, an opposing coach saying something of this nature from the organization who just beat you in the cup finals is quite another. ''Why don't you come to Detroit'' yea thats definitely a negotiation tactic. It makes it clear to Hossa that the Wings would likely offer him a contract if he awaits UFA. If nothing else it plants a seed which again, shouldn't happen.
However, technically, it isn't.
Point blank. Period.
MOOBS!Kovy27 wrote:I heard Bill Parcells put his man tits in his face.canaan wrote:i heard his agent and team president flew to mississippi to ask him not to report to camp. fact?Pitts wrote:I heard he was in Sweden taking his good old sweet time deciding his future.Member wrote:He did not?Kovy27 wrote:O.M.G. When did Hossa sign with Detroit?!
The last I heard was that Ray Shero and Ritch Winter were still working on a long-term contract extension.
Who cares?crzymike wrote:You are not allowed to suggest to a player on an opposing team that you'd like to acquire his services. RS has stated this on several occasions. I am sure Ray Shero would have more insight into this matter then anyone here. ''Come play for us'' is definitely tampering. If it shows respect for Hossa, then in most certainly shows disrespect for the Penguins organization.
The quote says, "You should come to Detroit". That could mean anything.crzymike wrote:You are not allowed to suggest to a player on an opposing team that you'd like to acquire his services. RS has stated this on several occasions. I am sure Ray Shero would have more insight into this matter then anyone here. ''Come play for us'' is definitely tampering. If it shows respect for Hossa, then in most certainly shows disrespect for the Penguins organization.
We arent currently discussing the fact that he's gone, more the way he and the Wings went about it. In any case just because we still have Malkin, Crosby and MAF, doesn't all of a sudden solve everything. If you dont care for this particular subject, stay out of the thread.The Joker wrote:Who cares?crzymike wrote:You are not allowed to suggest to a player on an opposing team that you'd like to acquire his services. RS has stated this on several occasions. I am sure Ray Shero would have more insight into this matter then anyone here. ''Come play for us'' is definitely tampering. If it shows respect for Hossa, then in most certainly shows disrespect for the Penguins organization.
He's gone. We still have Crosby, Makin, and Fleury.
Move on with your life.
Yeah make that post outside of the line of quotes and make it about the whole thread still existing. Then it applies perfectly.crzymike wrote:We arent currently discussing the fact that he's gone, more the way he and the Wings went about it. In any case just because we still have Malkin, Crosby and MAF, doesn't all of a sudden solve everything. If you dont care for this particular subject, stay out of the thread.The Joker wrote:Who cares?crzymike wrote:You are not allowed to suggest to a player on an opposing team that you'd like to acquire his services. RS has stated this on several occasions. I am sure Ray Shero would have more insight into this matter then anyone here. ''Come play for us'' is definitely tampering. If it shows respect for Hossa, then in most certainly shows disrespect for the Penguins organization.
He's gone. We still have Crosby, Makin, and Fleury.
Move on with your life.
''You should come to Detroit'' means anything ha? Wow, thats very Naive thinking. that most certainly is ''improper''. If you want to hold on to your stance thats fine but you are clearly in error on this one. RS says different then you, RS knows the rules.Jesse wrote:The quote says, "You should come to Detroit". That could mean anything.crzymike wrote:You are not allowed to suggest to a player on an opposing team that you'd like to acquire his services. RS has stated this on several occasions. I am sure Ray Shero would have more insight into this matter then anyone here. ''Come play for us'' is definitely tampering. If it shows respect for Hossa, then in most certainly shows disrespect for the Penguins organization.
That's funny, I just got off the phone with a good buddy of mine who reads this board, has a minor in Sports, Arts and Entertainment Management and is currently studying contract law at the University of Pittsburgh, and he vehemently stated that this isn't tampering, and he's a Penguins fan.
His definition of tampering, verbatim, was the following:
"To engage in improper or secret dealings, as in an effort to threaten or sway the status of ones contract."
That didn't happen.
So, no. It wasn't tampering. Moving on.
You are so passive-aggressive.crzymike wrote:''You should come to Detroit'' means anything ha? Wow, thats very Naive thinking. If you want to hold on to your stance thats fine but you are clearly in error on this one. RS says different then you, RS knows the rules.Jesse wrote:The quote says, "You should come to Detroit". That could mean anything.crzymike wrote:You are not allowed to suggest to a player on an opposing team that you'd like to acquire his services. RS has stated this on several occasions. I am sure Ray Shero would have more insight into this matter then anyone here. ''Come play for us'' is definitely tampering. If it shows respect for Hossa, then in most certainly shows disrespect for the Penguins organization.
That's funny, I just got off the phone with a good buddy of mine who reads this board, has a minor in Sports, Arts and Entertainment Management and is currently studying contract law at the University of Pittsburgh, and he vehemently stated that this isn't tampering, and he's a Penguins fan.
His definition of tampering, verbatim, was the following:
"To engage in improper or secret dealings, as in an effort to threaten or sway the status of ones contract."
That didn't happen.
So, no. It wasn't tampering. Moving on.
moving on......
It doesn't really matter what he meant by it, its the way it was worded. He is very safe with that wording.crzymike wrote:''You should come to Detroit'' means anything ha? Wow, thats very Naive thinking. If you want to hold on to your stance thats fine but you are clearly in error on this one. RS says different then you, RS knows the rules.Jesse wrote:The quote says, "You should come to Detroit". That could mean anything.crzymike wrote:You are not allowed to suggest to a player on an opposing team that you'd like to acquire his services. RS has stated this on several occasions. I am sure Ray Shero would have more insight into this matter then anyone here. ''Come play for us'' is definitely tampering. If it shows respect for Hossa, then in most certainly shows disrespect for the Penguins organization.
That's funny, I just got off the phone with a good buddy of mine who reads this board, has a minor in Sports, Arts and Entertainment Management and is currently studying contract law at the University of Pittsburgh, and he vehemently stated that this isn't tampering, and he's a Penguins fan.
His definition of tampering, verbatim, was the following:
"To engage in improper or secret dealings, as in an effort to threaten or sway the status of ones contract."
That didn't happen.
So, no. It wasn't tampering. Moving on.
moving on......
If thats how you feel then why even bother posting in the thread?Idoit40fans wrote:Yeah make that post outside of the line of quotes and make it about the whole thread still existing. Then it applies perfectly.crzymike wrote:We arent currently discussing the fact that he's gone, more the way he and the Wings went about it. In any case just because we still have Malkin, Crosby and MAF, doesn't all of a sudden solve everything. If you dont care for this particular subject, stay out of the thread.The Joker wrote:Who cares?crzymike wrote:You are not allowed to suggest to a player on an opposing team that you'd like to acquire his services. RS has stated this on several occasions. I am sure Ray Shero would have more insight into this matter then anyone here. ''Come play for us'' is definitely tampering. If it shows respect for Hossa, then in most certainly shows disrespect for the Penguins organization.
He's gone. We still have Crosby, Makin, and Fleury.
Move on with your life.
In a legal sense, it could mean anything.crzymike wrote:''You should come to Detroit'' means anything ha? Wow, thats very Naive thinking. If you want to hold on to your stance thats fine but you are clearly in error on this one. RS says different then you, RS knows the rules.Jesse wrote:The quote says, "You should come to Detroit". That could mean anything.crzymike wrote:You are not allowed to suggest to a player on an opposing team that you'd like to acquire his services. RS has stated this on several occasions. I am sure Ray Shero would have more insight into this matter then anyone here. ''Come play for us'' is definitely tampering. If it shows respect for Hossa, then in most certainly shows disrespect for the Penguins organization.
That's funny, I just got off the phone with a good buddy of mine who reads this board, has a minor in Sports, Arts and Entertainment Management and is currently studying contract law at the University of Pittsburgh, and he vehemently stated that this isn't tampering, and he's a Penguins fan.
His definition of tampering, verbatim, was the following:
"To engage in improper or secret dealings, as in an effort to threaten or sway the status of ones contract."
That didn't happen.
So, no. It wasn't tampering. Moving on.
moving on......
Most of the time i just see a thread with a new post in it and i enter. I don't pay attention to which thread i'm going into. Then if I see something that I want to respond to...well, I think we can agree that I generally just say what pops into my mind.crzymike wrote:If thats how you feel then why even bother posting in the thread?Idoit40fans wrote:Yeah make that post outside of the line of quotes and make it about the whole thread still existing. Then it applies perfectly.crzymike wrote:We arent currently discussing the fact that he's gone, more the way he and the Wings went about it. In any case just because we still have Malkin, Crosby and MAF, doesn't all of a sudden solve everything. If you dont care for this particular subject, stay out of the thread.The Joker wrote:Who cares?crzymike wrote:You are not allowed to suggest to a player on an opposing team that you'd like to acquire his services. RS has stated this on several occasions. I am sure Ray Shero would have more insight into this matter then anyone here. ''Come play for us'' is definitely tampering. If it shows respect for Hossa, then in most certainly shows disrespect for the Penguins organization.
He's gone. We still have Crosby, Makin, and Fleury.
Move on with your life.
If he tested free agency because of that, then yes.Jesse wrote:In a legal sense, it could mean anything.crzymike wrote:''You should come to Detroit'' means anything ha? Wow, thats very Naive thinking. If you want to hold on to your stance thats fine but you are clearly in error on this one. RS says different then you, RS knows the rules.Jesse wrote:The quote says, "You should come to Detroit". That could mean anything.crzymike wrote:You are not allowed to suggest to a player on an opposing team that you'd like to acquire his services. RS has stated this on several occasions. I am sure Ray Shero would have more insight into this matter then anyone here. ''Come play for us'' is definitely tampering. If it shows respect for Hossa, then in most certainly shows disrespect for the Penguins organization.
That's funny, I just got off the phone with a good buddy of mine who reads this board, has a minor in Sports, Arts and Entertainment Management and is currently studying contract law at the University of Pittsburgh, and he vehemently stated that this isn't tampering, and he's a Penguins fan.
His definition of tampering, verbatim, was the following:
"To engage in improper or secret dealings, as in an effort to threaten or sway the status of ones contract."
That didn't happen.
So, no. It wasn't tampering. Moving on.
moving on......
"You should come to Detroit".
Did Babcock probably mean to play hockey? Yeah.
Did he SAY THAT?
Did Mike Babcock say "Hey, sign with us when you're a free agent. We'll give you a sweet deal!"
It's a simple yes or no question, Mike. I'll await your answer.
Was THAT STATEMENT ALONE an "improper or secret dealings as in an effort to threaten or sway the status of ones contract."?
No.
And I'm willing to bet that he didn't.JoseCuervo wrote:If he tested free agency because of that, then yes.Jesse wrote:In a legal sense, it could mean anything.crzymike wrote:''You should come to Detroit'' means anything ha? Wow, thats very Naive thinking. If you want to hold on to your stance thats fine but you are clearly in error on this one. RS says different then you, RS knows the rules.Jesse wrote:The quote says, "You should come to Detroit". That could mean anything.crzymike wrote:You are not allowed to suggest to a player on an opposing team that you'd like to acquire his services. RS has stated this on several occasions. I am sure Ray Shero would have more insight into this matter then anyone here. ''Come play for us'' is definitely tampering. If it shows respect for Hossa, then in most certainly shows disrespect for the Penguins organization.
That's funny, I just got off the phone with a good buddy of mine who reads this board, has a minor in Sports, Arts and Entertainment Management and is currently studying contract law at the University of Pittsburgh, and he vehemently stated that this isn't tampering, and he's a Penguins fan.
His definition of tampering, verbatim, was the following:
"To engage in improper or secret dealings, as in an effort to threaten or sway the status of ones contract."
That didn't happen.
So, no. It wasn't tampering. Moving on.
moving on......
"You should come to Detroit".
Did Babcock probably mean to play hockey? Yeah.
Did he SAY THAT?
Did Mike Babcock say "Hey, sign with us when you're a free agent. We'll give you a sweet deal!"
It's a simple yes or no question, Mike. I'll await your answer.
Was THAT STATEMENT ALONE an "improper or secret dealings as in an effort to threaten or sway the status of ones contract."?
No.