DudeMan2766 wrote:Its being reported that the Flyers have signed Vinny to a 5 year deal. 24 million dollar deal L-O-L
They just can't help themselves. What exactly is the point of buying out Briere if they're just going to replace him with another aging, fading player? Why the need to commit to him for five years? Don't they still need a goalie?
Correct. They only have Mason signed.
Pronger is on their roster and will eventually come off, but I thought they had to be under the cap before they could LTIR him.
Right now the Flyers are ~ 300 thousand over the cap with one goalie rostered currently. They do have 9 defensemen and 14 forwards under contract, but is just hilarious to see. I'm assuming they trade coburn. Is meszaros going to be LTIR'd?
Edit: That also includes Pronger's salary, so they have that space to work with
Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:My Flyers fan brother-in-law speculates that Ed Snider is forcing Holmgren to pick up these big name guys in order to win the Cup before he croaks.
The Flyers are always good for laughs. They buy out Briere and sign Lecavalier, who are pretty similar players in terms of age and expected production. They buy out Bryz and now Bryz is probably the best UFA goalie out there. I don't see how they think they've improved themselves. I hope they sign Tim Thomas.
How is that deal ($4.5 per) so laughable? He's getting less than a million more than Kunitz/Dupuis to run until he is the same age as those guys. I get that the Flyers are DUMB and make bad decisions, but this does not really seem like one of them. Lecavalier was very solid last year until his injury. He was playing hurt at the end of the year and still nearly finished at a point per game. I think this is a fine deal.
Kraftster wrote:How is that deal ($4.5 per) so laughable? He's getting less than a million more than Kunitz/Dupuis to run until he is the same age as those guys. I get that the Flyers are DUMB and make bad decisions, but this does not really seem like one of them. Lecavalier was very solid last year until his injury. He was playing hurt at the end of the year and still nearly finished at a point per game. I think this is a fine deal.
I've been trying to figure that out as well. He gave up AAV for term. The biggest issue with him is the number of games he will play, not declining production. Its longer than you'd like, but so are the Dupuis and Kunitz deals that were just dealt out.
Kraftster wrote:How is that deal ($4.5 per) so laughable? He's getting less than a million more than Kunitz/Dupuis to run until he is the same age as those guys. I get that the Flyers are DUMB and make bad decisions, but this does not really seem like one of them. Lecavalier was very solid last year until his injury. He was playing hurt at the end of the year and still nearly finished at a point per game. I think this is a fine deal.
I've been trying to figure that out as well. He gave up AAV for term. The biggest issue with him is the number of games he will play, not declining production. Its longer than you'd like, but so are the Dupuis and Kunitz deals that were just dealt out.
Exactly. And I agree with you that durability is the biggest concern. Although he's 33, he's got a ton of mileage on his body.
Kraftster wrote:How is that deal ($4.5 per) so laughable? He's getting less than a million more than Kunitz/Dupuis to run until he is the same age as those guys. I get that the Flyers are DUMB and make bad decisions, but this does not really seem like one of them. Lecavalier was very solid last year until his injury. He was playing hurt at the end of the year and still nearly finished at a point per game. I think this is a fine deal.
Yup. When VL4 is on, he's a handful. He's tough to stop, he gets the benefit of being behind 28 there, so he won't face tougher shutdown opposition. He'll likely have someone that can accommodate for him defensively when they move Sean Couturier to his left side. And to touch further on that, VL4 is a consummate professional and a great guy and a really good mentor. You think having him sit next to Sean Couturier in the locker room and just talk to him won't help Couturier become a much better player...guess again...
There's nothing wrong with this move at all for Philadelphia.
THe only thing I hate about Vinny to Philadelphia is that it puts Vinny on Philadelphia. I don't know if I can call him my favorite player anymore. This is a serious coup.
Idoit40fans wrote:Exact same concern as I have with Kunitz.
Kunitz is old, but he was a late bloomer so he doesn't have near as many NHL years on his body as Vinny.
He's also a lot more reckless with his body than almost anyone in the league. Eventually his durability will run out hopefully we get a few more years before then.
When I mocked Philly signing Lecavalier, it had nothing to do with him being a bad player. I made the case in the buyout thread that it didn't make sense to buy him out, since he was still producing at a pretty good rate and Tampa would probably need to spend $5 million/year on a free agent to replicate that production.
I just think the Flyers' problems last year were more related to their defense, but they've exchanged one mid-30s offensive player who contributes little defensively (Briere) for another in Lecavalier. They've brought in Streit, who honestly probably will help their powerplay, but who won't do anything to help in the defensive zone. And they don't have a starting goalie. So, in a vacuum, there's nothing laughable about signing Lecavalier; it just seems weird given what they should be prioritizing.
largegarlic wrote:When I mocked Philly signing Lecavalier, it had nothing to do with him being a bad player. I made the case in the buyout thread that it didn't make sense to buy him out, since he was still producing at a pretty good rate and Tampa would probably need to spend $5 million/year on a free agent to replicate that production.
I just think the Flyers' problems last year were more related to their defense, but they've exchanged one mid-30s offensive player who contributes little defensively (Briere) for another in Lecavalier. They've brought in Streit, who honestly probably will help their powerplay, but who won't do anything to help in the defensive zone. And they don't have a starting goalie. So, in a vacuum, there's nothing laughable about signing Lecavalier; it just seems weird given what they should be prioritizing.
Oh, yeah, I totally agree with you there. I couldn't believe they were talking about trading Coburn for a forward. They're a mess. And as artfully mentioned above, Steve Mason is still their starting goaltender.