Jerry Sandusky and Related Trials
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Anyone know the status of the Paterno's investigation of the Freeh report?
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Implications of who's actions? Are you talking about Erickson? He was protecting the school from further scrutiny, if nothing else. A wider NCAA investigations would have found hundreds of violations in the football program.DontToewsMeBro wrote:You mean take time to conduct your own investigation and to think clearly about the implications of your actions after the emotional ****storm has passed and the pitchforks have been put away?
Nonsense.
Ask someone who works in PR or crisis management and they will tell you that PSU acted too slowly, not too quickly. Acting swiftly generally works to your benefit, while waiting will consistently create more fires.
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Since PSU forfeited all of their wins from 1998-2011, who gets credit for the win in 2010 vs Ohio State? OSU also forfeited their wins that season.
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Maybe take into consideration the trials of two of the people's actions you based the penalties off of? When you say you can't question somebodies character yet you punish a program based off of their inactions, that's gutless. For better or worse, they needed to wait. This could turn out to be a huge mess for the NCAA and the spineless administration of the University.
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The wins are forfeited but they are not turned into losses and the teams that lost still have those losses.JS© wrote:Since PSU forfeited all of their wins from 1998-2011, who gets credit for the win in 2010 vs Ohio State? OSU also forfeited their wins that season.
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I just thought the games become null. Like a, "we didn't win, but you didn't lose either."
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The school (PSU) was facing a deeper investigation that would have led directly to the death penalty of at least 4 years. This was just reported on ESPN, they saved the program as much as they could from being decimated for the next 30+ years.DontToewsMeBro wrote:Maybe take into consideration the trials of two of the people's actions you based the penalties off of? When you say you can't question somebodies character yet you punish a program based off of their inactions, that's gutless. For better or worse, they needed to wait. This could turn out to be a huge mess for the NCAA and the spineless administration of the University.
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Vacating wins means PSU loses the wins, but no one gains them (the opposing team).Rylan wrote:I just thought the games become null. Like a, "we didn't win, but you didn't lose either."
Forfeiting games would mean PSU loses the wins and the opponent gains them.
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So were the wins vacated or forfeited? I thought it was vacated?pfim wrote:Vacating wins means PSU loses the wins, but no one gains them (the opposing team).Rylan wrote:I just thought the games become null. Like a, "we didn't win, but you didn't lose either."
Forfeiting games would mean PSU loses the wins and the opponent gains them.
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Vacated. So PSU just loses the wins. Was just confirming.
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the psu-miami game in 1999 was the the most upsetting loss i've ever witnessed in person. i'm glad we finally won that game.
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Not really. Emmert and the NCAA Board read the Freeh report and put a gun to PSU's head and threatened them with the death penalty, knowing that Erickson was in no position to fight back and call their bluff. Emmert knew that if it went through the normal procedures the Infractions committee would likely determine that the actions didn't fit as NCAA violations so he skipped that part.Pavel Bure wrote:They had that chance and they signed off on everything in the investigations already done as truth in essence waiving their hearing and opportunity to respond.Rocco wrote:PSU would be given a notice of allegations, a hearing and an opportunity to respond to the allegations.MWB wrote:How would an NCAA investigation be different than the Freeh investigation (aside from taking months and months and months)?
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He is about to abused as an adult also, after his trial.mac5155 wrote:Spanier now saying he was abused as a child.
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I don't believe Spanier has been charged with anything yet. The NCAA of course said little to nothing about him, because he's alive and capable of responding. The NCAA is really smart about picking their targets.The Snapshot wrote:He is about to abused as an adult also, after his trial.mac5155 wrote:Spanier now saying he was abused as a child.
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pfim wrote:Vacated. So PSU just loses the wins. Was just confirming.
This brings up an interesting development: The 2010 Ohio State-Penn State game was won by no one, since OSU vacated that win already.
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Big Easy Pens Fan wrote:pfim wrote:Vacated. So PSU just loses the wins. Was just confirming.
This brings up an interesting development: The 2010 Ohio State-Penn State game was won by no one, since OSU vacated that win already.
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Well, you can say that about all the wins that the NCAA vacated. No one won those games.
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Read above. They saved the program as much as they could.Rocco wrote:Not really. Emmert and the NCAA Board read the Freeh report and put a gun to PSU's head and threatened them with the death penalty, knowing that Erickson was in no position to fight back and call their bluff. Emmert knew that if it went through the normal procedures the Infractions committee would likely determine that the actions didn't fit as NCAA violations so he skipped that part.Pavel Bure wrote:They had that chance and they signed off on everything in the investigations already done as truth in essence waiving their hearing and opportunity to respond.Rocco wrote:PSU would be given a notice of allegations, a hearing and an opportunity to respond to the allegations.MWB wrote:How would an NCAA investigation be different than the Freeh investigation (aside from taking months and months and months)?
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Which is why I was advocating the self-imposed death penalty - not to save face for the football team, but the University's reputation. It would have stood for something in the face of all of this. Now they just look guilty as an Institution and too weak to act for what was right - starting in 1998 and continuing all the way to today.Pitt87 wrote:Implications of who's actions? Are you talking about Erickson? He was protecting the school from further scrutiny, if nothing else. A wider NCAA investigations would have found hundreds of violations in the football program.DontToewsMeBro wrote:You mean take time to conduct your own investigation and to think clearly about the implications of your actions after the emotional ****storm has passed and the pitchforks have been put away?
Nonsense.
Ask someone who works in PR or crisis management and they will tell you that PSU acted too slowly, not too quickly. Acting swiftly generally works to your benefit, while waiting will consistently create more fires.
So depressing.
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Let's just say I would have liked to have seen what would have happened if Emmert tried to unilaterally impose the penalties and PSU had a problem with it. Just about everyone who is knowledgeable on the subject seems to think that Emmert could only pull this off because PSU wasn't willing to fight back. According to John Infante, Emmert couldn't have imposed anything unilaterally. Past enforcement presidents have said this wouldn't have fit into the Infractions Committee framework. However, PSU and Erickson would have been painted as saying child rape is okay had they tried to fight it so they took what was given.Pavel Bure wrote:Read above. They saved the program as much as they could.Rocco wrote:Not really. Emmert and the NCAA Board read the Freeh report and put a gun to PSU's head and threatened them with the death penalty, knowing that Erickson was in no position to fight back and call their bluff. Emmert knew that if it went through the normal procedures the Infractions committee would likely determine that the actions didn't fit as NCAA violations so he skipped that part.Pavel Bure wrote:They had that chance and they signed off on everything in the investigations already done as truth in essence waiving their hearing and opportunity to respond.Rocco wrote:PSU would be given a notice of allegations, a hearing and an opportunity to respond to the allegations.MWB wrote:How would an NCAA investigation be different than the Freeh investigation (aside from taking months and months and months)?
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"vacated" wins means that the rule of competition (every game always has a winner and a loser) is put on hold.
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What are you trying to determine? What is the purpose of more investigation? It would seem that PSU saw this as the best way for the university to move forward.DontToewsMeBro wrote:Maybe take into consideration the trials of two of the people's actions you based the penalties off of? When you say you can't question somebodies character yet you punish a program based off of their inactions, that's gutless. For better or worse, they needed to wait. This could turn out to be a huge mess for the NCAA and the spineless administration of the University.
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Big bad NCAA bullying good ol humble PSU. Some of you are really reaching for any scraps you can to argue PSU was wronged.
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Well, Emmert did unilaterally lay down a crushing blow on the program without any due process or hearing. Granted, Erickson signed off on it.DudeMan2766 wrote:Big bad NCAA bullying good ol humble PSU. Some of you are really reaching for any scraps you can to argue PSU was wronged.
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That's what I'm not getting. Are people concerned that the investigation/punishment was handled inappropriately and it's a matter of principle? Or are people concerned that PSU is getting screwed in some way here?
It seems that if PSU paid for a report to be done, that said report was used to create a punishment that PSU signed off on, and that the punishment was done expeditiously so that PSU could move forward, what is there to complain about?
It seems that if PSU paid for a report to be done, that said report was used to create a punishment that PSU signed off on, and that the punishment was done expeditiously so that PSU could move forward, what is there to complain about?
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People should be more upset with PSU than the NCAA.MWB wrote:That's what I'm not getting. Are people concerned that the investigation/punishment was handled inappropriately and it's a matter of principle? Or are people concerned that PSU is getting screwed in some way here?
It seems that if PSU paid for a report to be done, that said report was used to create a punishment that PSU signed off on, and that the punishment was done expeditiously so that PSU could move forward, what is there to complain about?