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Crankshaft wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:Need some advice:

So I was asked to join a fantasy hockey league this year, and haven't played in like 5 years. Rotisserie scoring, 14 teams, 12 total scoring categories. There are 4 goalie categories (W, SO, SV%, GAA) and 8 skater categories (G,A,PIM,+/-,PPP,Shots,FOW, Hits)

I won't know the draft order until tomorrow, but, if I were to get a late round pick, lets say 10-14, my strategy was going to be to take Rask and Lundqvist as my first two picks. If I could accomplish that, I think I could have a good chance of placing first in 3 of the 4 goalie categories. Obviously, I'm going to lose out on top scorers, but I could then focus on guys with hits, PIM, +/- and FOW. If I pick well rounded guys the rest of the way that maybe don't lead in any category, but are strong in all areas, say like a David Backes, Wayne Simmonds, Milan Lucic F, Phaneuf, Seabrook D, etc, and then towards the later rounds, try to pick up guys that have been leaders in the skater categories I am focusing on....Matt Martin, Radko Gudas, Antoine Russell, Zack Kassian, Wayne Simmonds.

Is this a decent strategy to try, or too risky?
I don't think Rask or Lundqvist will last until 12-14. Rask is a too 8 pick normally.
Drafting in 15 minutes. In the few mock runs I tried with this strategy, I typically got Lundqvist (Rask gone) and had my pick of 2nd goalies. I typically went Lundqvist and Bishop. And, I do have the 12th pick out of 14 teams, so looks like I'll try this out and see how it ends up.
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FLPensFan wrote:
Crankshaft wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:Need some advice:

So I was asked to join a fantasy hockey league this year, and haven't played in like 5 years. Rotisserie scoring, 14 teams, 12 total scoring categories. There are 4 goalie categories (W, SO, SV%, GAA) and 8 skater categories (G,A,PIM,+/-,PPP,Shots,FOW, Hits)

I won't know the draft order until tomorrow, but, if I were to get a late round pick, lets say 10-14, my strategy was going to be to take Rask and Lundqvist as my first two picks. If I could accomplish that, I think I could have a good chance of placing first in 3 of the 4 goalie categories. Obviously, I'm going to lose out on top scorers, but I could then focus on guys with hits, PIM, +/- and FOW. If I pick well rounded guys the rest of the way that maybe don't lead in any category, but are strong in all areas, say like a David Backes, Wayne Simmonds, Milan Lucic F, Phaneuf, Seabrook D, etc, and then towards the later rounds, try to pick up guys that have been leaders in the skater categories I am focusing on....Matt Martin, Radko Gudas, Antoine Russell, Zack Kassian, Wayne Simmonds.

Is this a decent strategy to try, or too risky?
I don't think Rask or Lundqvist will last until 12-14. Rask is a too 8 pick normally.
Drafting in 15 minutes. In the few mock runs I tried with this strategy, I typically got Lundqvist (Rask gone) and had my pick of 2nd goalies. I typically went Lundqvist and Bishop. And, I do have the 12th pick out of 14 teams, so looks like I'll try this out and see how it ends up.
How did it go?
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I'm sort of shooting from the hip here because I don't play any roto leagues, and I also play in 12-team leagues, but I would be hesitant to go G-G with a 2:1 breakdown on skater vs. goalie cats. I also have to believe that you can't count on those guys you mentioned lasting late into the draft. Everyone should be after those guys.

In a H2H league, going goaltending + hits/PIMs in a league like that would be a lot more viable. Balance is really important in roto leagues (speaking from baseball experience). Punting cats is dangerous. I can't help but think you would be punting G, A, PPP with that strategy. You'd be surprised what a difference there would bein your G, A, PPP by going with a top skater at that 16th overall pick, I think.
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I think it went rather well, but I guess we shall see. I did end up going goalie-goalie, with Quick and Bishop. I wanted to snag Martin Jones as a late round pick, but he got taken one spot before me....that hurt a bit. I think after doing mock drafts and stuff I can safely say our league is too big, starting player wise....3 full lines, 2 goalies, plus 3 util players. Anyway, I haven't run all the numbers just going off of last years stats, but I think I am in pretty good shape. I don't think I'll be tops in the goalie categories, but should be in the top 3 hopefully. I stayed away from players on bad teams when possible. Just going by last years stats (and only for 4 out of 14 teams), I would far and away be the leader in +/-, Hits, and PIM, top 5 in SOG and FOW, and still decent in G & A. Here's what I ended up drafting:

C: Backes, Dubinsky, Plekanec
LW: Landeskog, Palat, Dustin Brown
RW: Simmonds, Byfuglien, Hornqvist
D: Chara, Phaneuf, Gudas, Voynov, Vlasic, Lovejoy
G: Quick, Bishop
Util: Antoine Roussel, Craig Smith, Frans Nielsen
Bench: Matt Martin, Simon Despres, Eddie Lack

The defense, offensively speaking, is not that great, but going with my concept, it is pretty good from a Hits, PIM, and =/- standpoint. Byfuglien, Phaneuf, and Nielsen are the only players I have that are on "bad" teams where a negative plus minus can be expected. I have last years PIM leader in Roussel, last several years hit leader in Martin, Gudas is top hit defender and up there in PIM. I figured Hornqvist numbers would go up this year, as well as Despres. Nielsen and Smith were late round finds. I got sniped a few times on Defense....had a few players queued up, who were not next in line by default draft list, only to see them go 1 or 2 spots before my turn.
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Nice job of hitting your strategy. I will be very interested to hear how things play out for you. I do have some G,A,PPP concerns, but it is kind of hard for me to say in a 14-teamer. Have a tough time picturing whether that places you middle or bottom of the pack.
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We just finished up our fantasy draft. 10 team league, head-to-head based on goals, assists, points, +/-, PIM, PPP, SOG, W, GAA, sv%, and SHO.

C - Tavares, Thornton
LW - Benn, Pacioretty, Perron, Drouin
RW - Simmonds, Wheeler, Okposo, Nyquist
D - Weber, Letang, Josi, Lindholm
G - Lehtonen, Luongo
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Trade advice needed. Head to head points league. What say you?

Me: Letang and Gaborik
Him: Perry

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Ordinarily, I'd say no. Because I love Letang this year, but you have a few guys that I think are poised for nice seasons like Gardiner and Fowler...Krug also bet on himself, so he better do well...and Gaborik is always a threat on a good team.

But you kind of lack a high end scorer and Perry is just that. I've seen him go in the first round in some leagues. He's not the ******* ****** **** and **** ******* ****** that he used to be, so the PIMs aren't as high...but he can still score with one of the league's best playmakers...
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I'd make that trade if I were you.
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Right, and depth defense is easier to find than scoring like that.
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Malkamaniac wrote:Right, and depth defense is easier to find than scoring like that.
Yeah, you can get away with this...condense and pick up a guy like Trouba, Morgan Reilly, Jared Spurgeon, etc. and you won't miss more than 20 points...
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Trade made, just couldn't say no to Perry.
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Especially with Kesler coming over. Perry and Getzlaf might see a bit softer competition.
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Indeed, made the trade and picked up Spurgeon.
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Big man crush for Spurgeon. Terrific player.
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Yeah Spurgeon is someone I definitely targeted for fantasy this year. Also that last second Rinaldo pickup is paying off already.
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I just lost my first week on that hip check by Bogosian with :16 left in the last game of the week. Lovely.
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All my weeks end next Sunday as it turns out.
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As it should be.
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Good night to have the top line of Tampa in my rotis league
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What are thoughts on Luongo's value this year? I'm looking to package Lou with Tanner Pearson or Brock Nelson for a G upgrade. Who all would you do that for if you're me?


Varly?
Lehtonen?
Smith?
Halak?
Howard?
Niemi?
Rinne?

It's a 12 team h2h points league keep 17 and 10 farm (<200 GP skt <100 GP G). I'm much more focuses on this year but future matters some, obviously.
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Varlamov was the best goalie in the league last year, if you can turn that package into him, I say do it...
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He's my top target. In fact, that's roughly my order of preference.
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Dallas is getting enough firepower that when they have a decent defense, Lehtonen is going to blow up in the win column and become a top fantasy goalie. Not sure when that will happen though.
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I'll tier it up: Varly/Lehtonen, Halak/Rinne/Smith, Howard/Niemi

So, basically what you had...except I believe Rinne can rebound...while I think Niemi will lose his job and Howard will next season...