You would trust a Vladar/Ned combo? I wouldn't. Maybe Husso/Ned.
I just don't see Ned as a number 1, so you need one of those, and they just aren't available. Maybe Samsonov? but he flamed out in Toronto.
You would trust a Vladar/Ned combo? I wouldn't. Maybe Husso/Ned.
Honestly, I would run with a Ned/Blomqvist split and see where that gets me. There's really no evidence that Blomqvist isn't ready. The whole WBS team kind of folded in their first round loss. Blomqvist let in a few more goals than normal, but otherwise, he was solid all season long. He was also very solid for Karpat in regular season and playoffs, unseating their veteran goalie. Up until WBS lost their playoff round, all the talk was Blomqvist was going to be in the NHL next season, and that is why bringing Ned back was doubtful. If Dubas is using that one series to say Blomqvist isn't ready, than Dubas is Dumass.Mad City Mike wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:49 pm So the problem with all of the above is who plays goal if you trade Jarry. Ned is not a number 1. Even at the end of the season, his advanced stats were not that great even though he was winning. Blomqvist doesn't seem to be ready yet. So unless you do a goalie for goalie change of scenery type trade, I don't se homw it works. They have very little to offert to acquire a goalie.
This next season doesn't matter, tbh. The window is nailed shut, time to give some experience to players we need to rebuild with.Mad City Mike wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:49 pm So the problem with all of the above is who plays goal if you trade Jarry. Ned is not a number 1. Even at the end of the season, his advanced stats were not that great even though he was winning. Blomqvist doesn't seem to be ready yet. So unless you do a goalie for goalie change of scenery type trade, I don't se homw it works. They have very little to offert to acquire a goalie.
But, my point is, the governments of the city/county/state never were helpful when any ownership group wanted to build a new arena that the team desperately needed to be successful. They constantly voted down any type of assistance to the team. IMO, get out of town then if they act like they really don't want you there. It's not like there haven't been numerous cities asking for an NHL team over the past 20 years.FLPensFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:27 pmI think one of the large problems with Phoenix having an NHL club is, the NHL was so desperate to make it work, they continually allowed sub-standard ownership groups to run the team, just to try and make it work. There were already horror stories about Meruelo before he came into control, and afterwards, stories of telling vendors/suppliers/etc "yeah, I don't care that we have a contract. I don't like your price. I'm only paying this much," constant payroll issues, etc.Pitts wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:03 pmHow long was it going to take the NHL to realize that the city/state/ etc. of Arizona has never had any interest in maintaining an NHL team there. Truly, after a while it became a pathetic standoff between 2 entities that don't seem to like each other very much. Take the hint and move on already!FLPensFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:09 am The Phoenix Coyotes are no more. According to news out of Arizona, owner Alex Meruelo has given up his fight and plans to walk away from the Arizona Coyotes franchise. If you weren't aware, when NHL decided to move the Coyotes to Utah, Meruelo maintained ownership of all Coyotes intellectual property (team name, colors, records, etc, etc), and I believe he was given 5 years of owning those rights and to build a hockey suitable arena in the Phoenix area.
Meruelo's plan was to win the land auction north of the city and start construction on an arena that likely would have been ready in 2-3 years. This week, the local government cancelled the land auction (with Meruelo expected to easily win the bid on the land), stating that the land was not properly zoned, and that Meruelo would need to file for a Special Use permit before the auction could take place. From what I have read, it had been stated in the past that the land was not zoned as some were interpreting and that there could be issues.
Since Meruelo has no land, he's unlikely to hit the NHL's timeline for bringing hockey back to Arizona.
Article this morning from out in Phoenix: https://gophnx.com/sources-alex-meruelo ... m-coyotes/
The ownership history:
--2 American owners who's original plan was to move the Winnipeg franchise to Minnesota, but couldn't get an arena built
--After 2 years, 1 owner bought out the other, but couldn't get more investors.
--2nd original owner sold team in 2001 to Phoenix developer Steve Ellman (with Gretzky as part owner)
--2005, Ellman sells the team, a lacrosse team, and the arena lease to Jerry Moyes, who was part owner of MLB Diamondbacks
--2008, media becomes aware of massive losses and that NHL was paying some of the team's bills.
--2009, the NHL strips Moyes of his ownership, after he put the team into bankruptcy hours before the NHL was to present an offer for Jerry Reinsdorf (owner of Bulls and White Sox) to buy the club. Moyes also tried to sell the team to our old friend Jim Balsille, who's plan was, of course, to move the team to Hamilton.
--NHL buys the team out of bankruptcy in 2009, but multiple bids to buy the team fall through
--2013, Renaissance Sports and Entertainment buys the team
--2014, RSE sells to Andrew Barroway
--2019, Meruelo buys the team
7 different owners in 25 years, with the NHL and original ownership group the two longest groups maintaining ownership. As for the cities around Phoenix, doing some research on this for this post, it sounds like the team screwed over various cities along the way, likely leading to the problems. From what I read, I believe in 2010-2011 Glendale has to guarantee the team's losses to prevent it from being moved, and 2014 Glendale only received about 2/3 of the money they were expected to recoup after poor ticket sales, parking revenue, and naming rights.
Just a giant cluster-F of things that went wrong.
Can't argue with you. Might as well see what Blomqvist has now rather than later.Puck-Lurker wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:31 pm
This next season doesn't matter, tbh. The window is nailed shut, time to give some experience to players we need to rebuild with.
A Ned/Blomqvist tandem would fit that narrative. Sending Jarry to DET and getting Helberg back would as well. If he wants to split games with Ned. You can ease in Blomqvist along the way
Brossoit could be an option too. I think any of those guys can be a solid Jarry replacement. The coaching staff lost confidence in him and the team like that Ned "battles." Jarry has never been described that way. Move on from him.Mad City Mike wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:18 pmYou would trust a Vladar/Ned combo? I wouldn't. Maybe Husso/Ned.
I just don't see Ned as a number 1, so you need one of those, and they just aren't available. Maybe Samsonov? but he flamed out in Toronto.
I agree that Ned isn't really a #1, but I also don't think we can count on Jarry to be either. Pensburgh did an analysis a few months ago that showed that Jarry's stats consistently declined once he got into the 2nd half of the season. Yeah, he could have all-star stats October-December, but if he always declines to backup level in the second half of the season, is he really a #1? The difference between Jarry and Ned is that Jarry is paid like a #1.Mad City Mike wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:49 pm So the problem with all of the above is who plays goal if you trade Jarry. Ned is not a number 1. Even at the end of the season, his advanced stats were not that great even though he was winning. Blomqvist doesn't seem to be ready yet. So unless you do a goalie for goalie change of scenery type trade, I don't se homw it works. They have very little to offert to acquire a goalie.
Yzerman definitely up to something. They weren't cap strapped. They have space to sign Raymond and Seider. Sounds like Stevie Y is chasing a big fish.
Still strange he had to attach a 2nd to move Walman. Rangers got out of the Goodrow contract for free. Very strange. Yzerman is overrated as a GM with the Wings. The Yzerplan is all over the place.
Yeah, just taking my first look at Puckpedia, and they have them, after the trade, at $31 million in cap space. Of course, that's with only 6 forwards signed and Raymond and Seider left to sign. But even if those 2 RFAs take $12 million between them, they'll have plenty of space to go after the big ticket free agents like Guentzel, Stamkos, and Reinhart.
Maybe Stamkos AND Reinhart?largegarlic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:53 pm
Yeah, just taking my first look at Puckpedia, and they have them, after the trade, at $31 million in cap space. Of course, that's with only 6 forwards signed and Raymond and Seider left to sign. But even if those 2 RFAs take $12 million between them, they'll have plenty of space to go after the big ticket free agents like Guentzel, Stamkos, and Reinhart.
I'll be interested to see what happens with Reinhart. As a Panthers fan second, I feel like the Panthers have enough offense up front that they can survive losing Reinhart more than they can survive losing Montour on the backend. But the local media seems to think Reinhart is the priority, and Reinhart, even on the ice and locker room last night, has let it be known he wants to stay.Mad City Mike wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:08 pmMaybe Stankos AND Reinhart?largegarlic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:53 pm
Yeah, just taking my first look at Puckpedia, and they have them, after the trade, at $31 million in cap space. Of course, that's with only 6 forwards signed and Raymond and Seider left to sign. But even if those 2 RFAs take $12 million between them, they'll have plenty of space to go after the big ticket free agents like Guentzel, Stamkos, and Reinhart.
What about the Blackhawks? I thought they were looking for someone to mentor Bedard.Mad City Mike wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:44 pmAnybody but the Rangers. They already stole traitor Trocheck.