2023 Non-Penguins Related Thread

[Daniel]

Will this finally be the end? It’s hard to imagine Gary admitting defeat. I’m expecting him to come up with some new plan this week. I really hope they move to another city and end this sad, drawn out spectacle. The whole situation makes the league look third rate. I’d love to see them go to Quebec City but that’s a pipe dream. I think it’ll be Houston. Yay.

Houston and Atlanta are the two areas being discussed. Quebec City seems dead, despite all the Canadian and Quebec folks saying they are getting the shaft. The population is small (about 800K) and there are few if any big corporations in the area to provide sponsor/ad revenue.

Geez, how many times is the NHL going to try Atlanta? They might be better off in Boise, ID.

I think the feeling is Atlanta has the population base and the corporate sponsors to be able to sustain the team. It also comes down to getting stable ownership, not just the first guy that throws out the most money. The Atlanta Flames had a poor team, and attendance dropped to a point where the team wasn't sustainable. Hockey in the South in 1970s...not gonna hold that against them. I believe not having luxury suites available was a big factor as well.

Last time, they were losing money and they got sued by a stakeholder and incurred losses there as well. They had to sell to keep the team, but it was sold to True North.

I think Atlanta can support a team, especially now with what we are seeing with Vegas and Seattle. Arizona just dug itself a giant hole out of the gate, had constant ownership issues, and became a cap dump team that never fielded competitive teams. No direction after all this time.

Salt Lake City Utah is also being thrown out there, as the owner of the Jazz has said he wants hockey and I think he owns the Jazz arena as well.

All that's nice, but if there are any other cities, Atlanta shouldn't have a team. Salt Lake City makes sense from a conference perspective too. Wouldn't have to do realignment either so change would be nothing besides the physical move.

[brwi]

Will this finally be the end? It’s hard to imagine Gary admitting defeat. I’m expecting him to come up with some new plan this week. I really hope they move to another city and end this sad, drawn out spectacle. The whole situation makes the league look third rate. I’d love to see them go to Quebec City but that’s a pipe dream. I think it’ll be Houston. Yay.

Houston and Atlanta are the two areas being discussed. Quebec City seems dead, despite all the Canadian and Quebec folks saying they are getting the shaft. The population is small (about 800K) and there are few if any big corporations in the area to provide sponsor/ad revenue.

Houston makes the most sense, especially if Fertitta is the owner. He's been wanting a NHL team and actually knows how to own a professional sports team, unlike the myriad of jackasses who have owned the Coyotes(or Thrashers). He'd also probably save a couple of hundred million by buying the Yotes instead of paying the NHL franchise fee for an expansion team sometime in the future.

Hate it for the diehard Arizona fans, but it hasn't worked despite all the millions and millions spent/lost and never ending drama. There isn't a clear path forward besides relocation. Try again in the future with different ownership and a realistic idea of exactly where you will be playing hockey games instead of wishing and hoping.

[thehockeyguru]

Andy Strickland
@andystrickland
Hearing Salt Lake City appears to be the focus for the Arizona Coyotes internally among hockey ops. Obviously still in "early" stages. #Yotes

[DelPen]

Hockey at Vivint Arena would be horrendous.

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It was built for the Jazz, this is almost as bad as the Yotes playing at ASU.

Here’s Quebec: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotron ... ron_01.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And these uniforms are like a Coyote: https://thehockeynews.com/news/the-queb ... -never-was" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[brwi]

Andy Strickland
@andystrickland
Hearing Salt Lake City appears to be the focus for the Arizona Coyotes internally among hockey ops. Obviously still in "early" stages. #Yotes

I guess the first step is Mereulo deciding if he wants to move the Yotes himself or just cut his losses and sell the team. Since The Toyota Center in Houston where the Rockets play is also owned by Fertitta, he might not be looking to add a hockey tenant unless he also owns the team too.

[FLPensFan]

The last hope for hockey in Arizona is for the Phoenix Suns owner to want to get involved, and let the team play in the Footprint Center, which can hold 16000 for hockey. If that isn't an option, there would seem to be no other option for the Coyotes to stay. They cannot start from ground zero and play at ASU for years.

While Salt Lake City seems to be next in line, the big issue there is that it only holds 14,000 for hockey. While Arizona, San Jose, Winnipeg, Anaheim, and Buffalo all had average attendance under 16,000 this season, Arizona and Winnipeg are the only 2 arenas that hold under 16,000 for hockey. Winnipeg holds 15,300 for NHL games. 14,000 again would be a bit of a revenue issue for the league.

Quebec is dead. They may have a nice, shiny arena, but they don't have the population and from what I'm hearing, they don't have enough corporate sponsors in the area and US sponsors are not wanting another Canadian team and won't commit big $$$ there.

Houston does in fact make the most sense, as Fertitta is said to be interested, they have an arena which used to be home to Houston Aeros of AHL, and the arena can hold 17,800 for hockey. It also has the population to support hockey.

[DelPen]

Wonder if Kansas City, Oklahoma City or San Antonio are as viable as Houston? Keeps the team in the central and no need for any conference realignment. Houston and KC have the largest hockey ready arenas, OKC is the smallest so they are out if they were even in.

[FLPensFan]

Things are already starting to go south in Arizona. After the Coyotes tweeted out about their disappointment of the bills not passing in Tempe, Clayton Keller's father responded to the tweet saying Clayton does not plan on playing for Arizona this season; he'll demand a trade, and his father said there are already other players on the Coyotes that want out as well.

The tweet was deleted after awhile, but this could turn into a bigger issue. Sounds like multiple players are fed up with everything in Arizona.

[Pens4Life]

To bad things are pretty much dead in Quebec, always wished they get the team back again.. If not them, yeah Houston could be an option.

[BigMcK]

So sad to read negative comments on the Coyotes. I have posted here on this Penguins board, that when I am in Phoenix, and the Coyotes are in town, I support the team with a ticket purchase. When I am in town on work, I seek out a bar that shows away games. There are fans; but they give up going to games because of the F'ed up infrastructure of roads. I-10, thoroughfare is a mess during rush hour.

Las Vegas, winner franchise. Arena on the strip. Many patrons that are in the arena are tickets comps from a casino. Golden Knights are funded by gambling. Not a good business model. Raiders get support from SoCal traveling gangs, er, fans, Vegas casinos, and transplants from SoCal. Jails are full after Raiders nation come to town. Oakland A's to soon get a field near the Tropicana. Yah, no support coming soon to support a MLB team. Certainly no one from SoCal.

[penny lane]

Patrick Mahomes II
@PatrickMahomes
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14h
KC coyotes has a nice ring to it!
@NHL
what y’all think?
@tmobilecenter

Mahomes does have cache and $$ if he really wants it.


Houston, TX all TX, has the population to support 2 clubs.

[Pitts]

I feel like a Houston - Dallas rivalry could develop similar to PGH-PHI one.

[Puck-Lurker]

Not going to happen...

but bring a team back to Canada. Preferably Quebec City

... so it'll be Houston or something.

[thehockeyguru]

Not going to happen...

but bring a team back to Canada. Preferably Quebec City

... so it'll be Houston or something.

Coyotes are in the Central in the Western conference so geographically it makes sense for Salt Lake City Houston or KC

[Puck-Lurker]

Not going to happen...

but bring a team back to Canada. Preferably Quebec City

... so it'll be Houston or something.

Coyotes are in the Central in the Western conference so geographically it makes sense for Salt Lake City Houston or KC

I guess?

Doesn't look that complicated though. Yotes move to QC, Dekes play Metro. Wings back to Central.

I don't rightly care where the division lines are drawn though. The whole 'rivalry' thing is just advertising to me.

[thehockeyguru]

Not going to happen...

but bring a team back to Canada. Preferably Quebec City

... so it'll be Houston or something.

Coyotes are in the Central in the Western conference so geographically it makes sense for Salt Lake City Houston or KC

I guess?

Doesn't look that complicated though. Yotes move to QC, Dekes play Metro. Wings back to Central.

I don't rightly care where the division lines are drawn though. The whole 'rivalry' thing is just advertising to me.

Detroit made a big stink about wanting to move to the East, there is zero chance they go back to the West

Quebec lacks the corporate backing to bring in the box revenue they seem like a real long shot

[offsides]

Guess I'll watch the rest of this tomorrow. Getting too tired to watch this. If I had to pick a winner tonight it would be Florida and that Bob guy. They seemed to have the best chances in the first OT. Looking very good for the WC2.

[BigMcK]

3.38 minutes until the 4th OT. Keith Jones interview,, recalling the 5th OT in 2000. I think that I may have it still on 3 VHS tapes, set at 2 hours per.

He did say that today's players are so better conditioned to play OT games, unlike the players of that era.

https://www.nhl.com/news/oral-history-o ... -289242142" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[penny lane]

3.38 minutes until the 4th OT. Keith Jones interview,, recalling the 5th OT in 2000. I think that I may have it still on 3 VHS tapes, set at 2 hours per.

He did say that today's players are so better conditioned to play OT games, unlike the players of that era.

https://www.nhl.com/news/oral-history-o ... -289242142" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I know Keith Primeau was shot up or took something~ he came out in the 5th fresh as a daisy. Tugnutt lost 10 lbs or something crazy facing 72 shots. Today remembering game 5 in Detroit, 2008. 3 OT game. Marvelous action. Warning to the panthers; winning this game guarantees nothing.

[pronovost19]

At this point, I am on the "anybody but Carolina" train.

[pronovost19]

3.38 minutes until the 4th OT. Keith Jones interview,, recalling the 5th OT in 2000. I think that I may have it still on 3 VHS tapes, set at 2 hours per.

He did say that today's players are so better conditioned to play OT games, unlike the players of that era.

https://www.nhl.com/news/oral-history-o ... -289242142" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I know Keith Primeau was shot up or took something~ he came out in the 5th fresh as a daisy. Tugnutt lost 10 lbs or something crazy facing 72 shots. Today remembering game 5 in Detroit, 2008. 3 OT game. Marvelous action. Warning to the panthers; winning this game guarantees nothing.

Sykora was tearing up the pizza during intermissions, the flying Nedved 4OT game-winner was a floater, Kaspar beating Hasek was epic, and the spicy pork and broccoli was not the best. Some epic ot memories. Oh Mike Crombeen and David Volek....you suck.

[Pitts]

Things are already starting to go south in Arizona. After the Coyotes tweeted out about their disappointment of the bills not passing in Tempe, Clayton Keller's father responded to the tweet saying Clayton does not plan on playing for Arizona this season; he'll demand a trade, and his father said there are already other players on the Coyotes that want out as well.

The tweet was deleted after awhile, but this could turn into a bigger issue. Sounds like multiple players are fed up with everything in Arizona.

As well they should be. It's been a literal S***show for years. Like, who even wants to be drafted by that mess of a team. It's about time the NHL cleaned it up and move the team. I don't feel like Arizona ever really wanted a hockey team.

[Pitts]

For some silly reason, I am enamored with the fact that the 3 Staal boys are all playing in this series. I heard during the broadcast that little bro Jared is now an assistant coach with Florida's AHL team too.

[brwi]

Guess I'll watch the rest of this tomorrow. Getting too tired to watch this. If I had to pick a winner tonight it would be Florida and that Bob guy. They seemed to have the best chances in the first OT. Looking very good for the WC2.

The joys of retirement.....able to stay up until 2am and watch this one. Only a few more seconds and it would have been OT #5 and I think that would have been it for me.

Bob stood on his head yet again and so did Andersen, but I had the feeling FL was going to find a way to win as they were definitely getting some real good looks and controlling possession. Their high end talent like Tkachuk, Verhaege, Barkov and strong depth of Duclair, Bennet, Ekblad etc. look like a little too much for the Canes to handle.

[FLPensFan]

Things are already starting to go south in Arizona. After the Coyotes tweeted out about their disappointment of the bills not passing in Tempe, Clayton Keller's father responded to the tweet saying Clayton does not plan on playing for Arizona this season; he'll demand a trade, and his father said there are already other players on the Coyotes that want out as well.

The tweet was deleted after awhile, but this could turn into a bigger issue. Sounds like multiple players are fed up with everything in Arizona.

As well they should be. It's been a literal S***show for years. Like, who even wants to be drafted by that mess of a team. It's about time the NHL cleaned it up and move the team. I don't feel like Arizona ever really wanted a hockey team.

So, Keller's father is now claiming that his account was hacked and the hacker sent the now deleted tweets about Keller wanting out of Arizona before the new season starts.

In addition, Pittsburgh born Logan Cooley has announced he is returning to Minnesota next season. Another blow to the Coyotes roster.