slappybrown wrote:I wouldn't sign any of those if I'm Johansen. If he wants 8 years that number has to start with a 7.
Nor would I offer him 8 years if were CBJ.
I agree with the people above who would offer sheet him if I were another team. I'd trade those picks for Johansen straight up and I know I'm getting him locked up.
Nobody is going to offer sheet Johansen because this is a much their battle as it is Columbus's. If they cave and throw money at Johansen, it sets the bar for RFAs coming off their ELC with one good season. His first two seasons were quite pedestrian, and he was even made a healthy scratch in the 2013 AHL playoffs.
Right, but that's at least partially because Brian Burke successfully threw a hissy fit over Penner so now people are afraid of offer sheets except in very rare circumstances (eg, Weber).
If you want to offer sheet Johansen because you think he's worth it based on "one good season", but don't want to pay your next RFA for the same "one good season" the next time that comes up, you don't have to. If your GM is weak enough to cave to an arbitrary "bar" because player X got that, even if player Y is not worth what player X got, then you need a new GM.
slappybrown wrote: If your GM is weak enough to cave to an arbitrary "bar" because player X got that, even if player Y is not worth what player X got, then you need a new GM.
So the Bruins were able to get Krug under contract for $1.4. Bruins clearly couldn't meet his contract demands, seems to me like that's another guy that could've been poached.
Complicatedly, yes. You have to have three years of experience to be eligible for an offer sheet. So, no offer sheet, no arbitration. You can sit and sulk/demand a trade or go play in Europe (Mark Giordano)...or sign a contract and read the tea leaves on what will happen in January or this offseason regarding your future pay...
Heard the two sides were talking again this week. I expect talks to pick up and something to get done, as CBJ is starting to have players go down left and right. Dubinsky is hurt, but I believe he will be ready for opening night or a few games after....Horton is a mess, which was not expected, and now Boone Jenner has a broken hand...
Why is this difficult? I don't understand what leverage Johansen thinks he has. He's a good player but unless you really follow every team most peopel don't know who he is. He's been here for 3 years? Never knew he was on the Jackets until Pierre drooled all over him in the playoffs and then I never noticed him. He was garbage up until last year. Which on is the fluke? An entry level player coming off of his first two years of 13G, 19A, a combined -9 in 107 combined games then getting 33G, 30A, +3 in 82 should not feel entitled to a massive long term contract.
DelPen wrote:Why is this difficult? I don't understand what leverage Johansen thinks he has. He's a good player but unless you really follow every team most peopel don't know who he is. He's been here for 3 years? Never knew he was on the Jackets until Pierre drooled all over him in the playoffs and then I never noticed him. He was garbage up until last year. Which one is the fluke? An entry level player coming off of his first two years of 13G, 19A, a combined -9 in 107 combined games then getting 33G, 30A, +3 in 82 should not feel entitled to a massive long term contract.
He was a highly touted prospect that struggled to establish himself on some no name teams at his age 19 & 20 seasons.
i dont understand that comparison. He is nowhere near the level of any of thise guys. Productionwise hes on the level with toews' rookie year in his own contract year.
A fair comparable would be someone like couture. While he undoubtedly performed better on his rookie contract, he also had more help. He had better numbers overall but a similar final year of his elc. He probably made an AAV of like $3 million on bis second contract.
Idoit40fans wrote:i dont understand that comparison. He is nowhere near the level of any of thise guys. Productionwise hes on the level with toews' rookie year in his own contract year.
A fair comparable would be someone like couture. While he undoubtedly performed better on his rookie contract, he also had more help. He had better numbers overall but a similar final year of his elc. He probably made an AAV of like $3 million on bis second contract.
I agree that couture would be a better comparison, but I brought up those deals to show what guys that can do it on their own got paid. Johansen and Couture both only had one good season, prior to their deals. But I'd say johansen has more pedigree as a higher draft pick, has played more games that couture at the point he got the 5.75M contract. I'd also say Johansen's season was better than Couture's and he's much more valuable to the blue jackets than couture is. The jackets should be offering 7.5 - 8 on a two year deal, it's actually kind of ridiculous that both sides are holding out at all. This is just a principle thing, 2-3 million over two years for arguably the most important skater on the team.
It seems like there is a gap in your argument, but I don't really care. I liked Johansen a lot till this thing came along, he seems like an unrealistic player who wants something unearned to be handed to him.
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
AAV on Johansen extension with CBJ is $4M.
So it's 3 years with a $4M AAV. I wonder how they've structured it.
Regardless, I'm very happy to see the Jackets hold their ground and get a number that's much closer to what they wanted - and, also, much more reasonable than Johansen's demands.
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Kind of surprised the Jackets went to $6M in the final year. That could create some problems for them - Johansen will be an RFA with a $6M qualifying price, and he'll be eligible for arbitration where he can't walk away with less than $5.1M (85% of his previous year's salary). Although, the Jackets did get their $3M in the first two years so it was probably that final year that got the deal done.
