Dispersal Draft Game - Discussion Thread

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Yeah, I was hoping to slide down as well. But the more I thought about it, the more and more I feel it wasn't a reach. This is some kind of player. I've obviously had to be focused on his entire development path...wow, what improvement...I didn't think he'd be this good when I saw him play way back when...
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I actually had Bergeron typed in to the window for my 2nd pick. I decided that Ovechkin needs a center that not only gets him the puck but be enough of a threat that he can't be the sole focus of the line (kind of like Neal with Malkin in a way). I also felt that Bergeron would be more of a baby sitter for Ovechkin's lapses at defense and felt that he is better complimented with a center going full steam ahead and build other lines / blue line to stop the opposition.

Never been a fan of having a line where the focal point is different between players. One line needs to all have the same task at hand to be the most effective.
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I like the Seguin-Ovechkin combo, they complement each other well...the only issue for me is that Seguin is a RHS and so is Ovechkin...so the passing play isn't as natural for Seguin who would be more apt to find his LWer...but they're both super talented, I'm sure they'll figure something out...and who knows what you get later in the draft...maybe you end up with someone that's an even better fit...
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Well, that makes me feel better...I was gonna try to condense some picks to try to Benn and Suter, thinking that maybe the underrated Suter might slip through the cracks...so that's out...
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Benn is a rare fish, so I liked that pick.
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Toews-Bergeron seems like a good start to build a winner.
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Gaucho wrote:Toews-Bergeron seems like a good start to build a winner.
I have to disagree. Both are good, neither is great. Solid if unspectacular. Neither is know. For making others better. Both are known as good leaders/defensive guys but neither IMO is dynamic in the make up of a team...

Sorry Toews fanboys.
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Gaucho wrote:Toews-Bergeron seems like a good start to build a winner.
? Seems like a real good 1-2 in a 30 team league...if you are loaded up around them. Looking like a good pk unit. Maybe theyre going for the predators "get 82 points by scoring 0, giving up 0, and achieving fan interest of 0" strategy.

I respect the hell out of Toews and love Bergeron, but nothing about those two screams championship to me. They're guys you need in order to win, but they arent central pieces. you have to fill in like 6 other guys that are on the same level around them.
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Actually kinda agree with you, Pavel, and I'm the one who drafted them. :P They're two solid, consistent, good defensive / possession players. However, they're both winners that have proven to play well in clutch situations, so that's a major positive for them; I don't have to worry about leadership on the team, with my captain & assistant already filled.

Having both Weber & Doughty be drafted before my pick at #7 really changed my strategy; I was going to go incredibly deep with my defense and then build a grinding team that could take advantage of power plays... then both went off. I don't think there are any other top 6 centers that can guarantee control of the puck as well as they can, so I went with it. Toews is 60%/58% on faceoffs the past two years; Bergeron 62%/59%. The two are the Selke winners for the past 3 years as well. Problem is I have to find players that complement them well and can hold up against a line like Benn/Getzlaf, the type of players I don't think Bergeron would be able to lock down. I have a couple in mind, but I'm not sure where they'll go in the draft yet. Like Idoit said, I'm kinda worried about my offense atm, but I've also only drafted 2 players.

If the cards fall well, I think I'll be okay. I'm not sure though just because I have no idea how anyone drafts yet, which makes it hard to guess which players will go at each point of the draft.
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I for sure understand the strategy. As far as team building goes though, in my world I want my top two lines to be able to attack so they don't have to defend. Then my 3rd line is able to clamp down when it's needed... It's an interesting concept to look at having your top two lines be highly skilled clamp down lines though. If they can generate turn overs and cycle they can certainly be very effective in the puck possession game.
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Surprised Suter went before Keith. Will gladly take Keith with my second pick.
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Idoit40fans wrote:
Gaucho wrote:Toews-Bergeron seems like a good start to build a winner.
? Seems like a real good 1-2 in a 30 team league...if you are loaded up around them. Looking like a good pk unit. Maybe theyre going for the predators "get 82 points by scoring 0, giving up 0, and achieving fan interest of 0" strategy.

I respect the hell out of Toews and love Bergeron, but nothing about those two screams championship to me. They're guys you need in order to win, but they arent central pieces. you have to fill in like 6 other guys that are on the same level around them.
Good point about the 30 team format, I keep forgetting about that aspect. I still think it's a good foundation, but they do need the right players around them, no doubt. Which should be somewhat easier in a 12 team league, I think.
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Good discussion fellas. I agree. Neither Toews or Bergy are game breakers like some of these other guys. But their very reliable. Bergeron is especially noteworthy defensively. He's been the best two-way player in the game the last three or so seasons in my opinion. RHS center has a good advantage on LHS centers for matchup purposes. Does anyone else have as much SCF experience on their team already?
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MalkinIsMyHomeboy wrote:Surprised Suter went before Keith. Will gladly take Keith with my second pick.
While I can't say I'm surprised that Suter went first, I will say considered both d-men heavily at my spot. Leaned towards Suter, as I don't think quite as highly of Keith as some. Though he belongs up here in this stratosphere.
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I'm interested in moving up if a trade could be concocted.
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Zetterberg was obviously the Red Wing I referenced previously. Pretty fair spot for him. I'd probably have him a smidge over Datsyuk in all areas except for playmaking...

There is one absolute gamebreaker left on the board that should not at all fall out of the second round, in my opinion...I'll be curious to see where he fits...in terms of pure gamebreakers, he's #1 left on my board and has been for a while (even going back to my selection at #15)
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I really wanted Zetterberg and X with my next two picks, probably preferring player X slightly more. I figured he had a slightly better chance of slipping six more picks than Zetterberg but I'm not too optimistic.
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You're one of just two teams (so far, two to go, I believe) that have drafted two natural centers in back to back rounds...too early to divulge where you're going to put Zetterberg? (There is a lot of draft left, namely, most of it)...but when picked did you have an eye for him to be at his natural position or was he going to be Malkin's LW or was it just a BPA scenario and you'll figure it out on the fly? I think they're all pretty good choices...
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The plan right now is to play him mostly at his natural center position. With every team likely to have a dominant first line it will be nice to have a versatile guy who doubles as a puck possession monster along with being a defensive specialist. Ideally I pick up a few more quality centers the rest of the way which allows him to slot into Malkin's wing when the situation requires it.
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That fact (every team having a dominant first line) is why I picked Bergeron in the end. Thought he was the best forward counter to that.

Also, throwing out the fact that I really am interested in moving up. Have one player that I'm interested in picking up, and I really have no clue if he'll be picked in the next 10. Would like to move up here, would be willing to move down over the next couple rounds to compensate. There's so many good second-tier players left (I consider 1st tier to be Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, etc), and they all fill completely different roles. Kessel, Karlsson, Thornton, etc.
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You have Toews and Bergeron, LHS and RHS centermen that are both good faceoff takers and defensive players. Even without seeing another player selected, I'd get a defensive coach that has an affinity for matching lines if that were my start to this thing. But like I've said, there's a million different ways this thing could turn out like...so I guess we'll just see...
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I needed a goal scorer, Perry fits the need. Now hopefully the guy I want to play with him will still be around.
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He's not quite as pugnacious as he used to be, but I'd still classify him as one that can angry up the blood too...not a guy I'd like to have to play against often...

My all-time favorite Corey Perry moment is in the 2007 Western Conference Final...he's at the faceoff and he goes, "Hey, tell [Mikael] Samuelsson he's gonna get it...you better tell'em! Hey Pavel [Datsyuk], you better tell'em...you're gonna get it too..."

Datsyuk has been in one fight during regulation time I believe in his career and it's with Corey Perry...if you can draw the million-time Lady Byng winner into a fight, you must be able to talk some serious trash...
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Haha I didn't know Perry and Datsyuk fought. I will have to YouTube it.
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He's a good hockey player, but I think he IS some serious trash.