DontToewsMeBro wrote:
That's a bit naive. How many of those players would end up at a program that don't care about their academics and end up without a real education or a degree?
wait whaaaat?
i'm sure PSU is a nice school, but i'm curious what you think happens to most of their football players after they graduate (who don't make it to pro football) compared to any given school. i'm willing to wager they all end up in very similar places.
I don't think you're understanding the point I'm making. Penn State graduates their football players 23% above the national Div. 1 average. That is huge. They graduate 94% of their African American players--33% above the national average. Kids who want an education and to play for a great football team can't do much better than Stanford, PSU, Notre Dame, Northwestern. There is a precipitous drop between the academics at top football schools.
MWB wrote:Graduation rate doesn't necessarily equate to a good education. But I'm not disputing that an athlete would get a good education at PSU. I'm disputing that PSU is the only place they could get a good education. That, and that an athlete who was headed to PSU but ended up elsewhere is now in a bad situation.
What about the athlete that doesn't get that education bc that psu athlete transfered to that school taking a potential scholarship for them?
Yes, you would most likely have a trickle down affect to some Division II players. I was talking about the specific people who were going to PSU with my original comment though.
That trickle down isn't affecting whether or not someone gets an education, its affecting whether someone gets a free education. In the end, the net result is somewhere the last walk-on doesn't walk on. They were going to that school anyway.
If a company looks at a prospective employee with a PSU degree and a Penn degree, they're gonna think the person with the Penn degree is better. Perception is reality.
Idoit40fans wrote:If a company looks at a prospective employee with a PSU degree and a Penn degree, they're gonna think the person with the Penn degree is better. Perception is reality.
read my post again. I said they have name recognition.
Idoit40fans wrote:If a company looks at a prospective employee with a PSU degree and a Penn degree, they're gonna think the person with the Penn degree is better. Perception is reality.
read my post again. I said they have name recognition.
Read my post again, name recognition breeds a real difference in value.
Idoit40fans wrote:If a company looks at a prospective employee with a PSU degree and a Penn degree, they're gonna think the person with the Penn degree is better. Perception is reality.
Not even true. I've interviewed at places that recruit exclusively from Princeton, Penn, and PSU. All of the big banks recruit here, all of our Lion Fund managers land jobs on Wall Street, kids in our CS dept. go to Google, Apple, Facebook, etc. Maybe the kid from Wharton who goes into Private Equity right out of undergrad (read: 1 kid) has an advantage, but for the most part that's just plain wrong. On the average, of course the kid with the Penn degree will fare better--but if a kid gets into both Penn and PSU then he won't have a disadvantage for picking either school. PSU has an astounding number of resources to take advantage of as an undergraduate and plenty of world class researchers that make this place what it is.
columbia wrote:I've somehow done ok in life without a Penn State degree...I know, it's shocking.
Well think how much better it could have been. Beautiful women throwing themselves at you, the greatest football team and tailgate parties in the country, corner office at any wall street investment bank?
Idoit40fans wrote:If a company looks at a prospective employee with a PSU degree and a Penn degree, they're gonna think the person with the Penn degree is better. Perception is reality.
Not even true. I've interviewed at places that recruit exclusively from Princeton, Penn, and PSU. All of the big banks recruit here, all of our Lion Fund managers land jobs on Wall Street, kids in our CS dept. go to Google, Apple, Facebook, etc. Maybe the kid from Wharton who goes into Private Equity right out of undergrad (read: 1 kid) has an advantage, but for the most part that's just plain wrong. On the average, of course the kid with the Penn degree will fare better--but if a kid gets into both Penn and PSU then he won't have a disadvantage for picking either school. PSU has an astounding number of resources to take advantage of as an undergraduate and plenty of world class researchers that make this place what it is.
psu is super duper, we get it. it's not "top rate".
Idoit40fans wrote:If a company looks at a prospective employee with a PSU degree and a Penn degree, they're gonna think the person with the Penn degree is better. Perception is reality.
Not even true. I've interviewed at places that recruit exclusively from Princeton, Penn, and PSU. All of the big banks recruit here, all of our Lion Fund managers land jobs on Wall Street, kids in our CS dept. go to Google, Apple, Facebook, etc. Maybe the kid from Wharton who goes into Private Equity right out of undergrad (read: 1 kid) has an advantage, but for the most part that's just plain wrong. On the average, of course the kid with the Penn degree will fare better--but if a kid gets into both Penn and PSU then he won't have a disadvantage for picking either school. PSU has an astounding number of resources to take advantage of as an undergraduate and plenty of world class researchers that make this place what it is.
Cool, PSU students can get jobs.
The average PSU degree is worth less than the Average Penn, Princeton, or any other Ivy school's degree. I'm also sure that my Duquesne degree got me a job, but thats probably because I spent abotu 20 hours on PSU's campus once.
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