Yeah, but when you look at most of the big Kronwall hits, that's where the problem usually starts.Not for nothing Great58, but "keep your head up" is kinda superfluous.
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Yeah, but when you look at most of the big Kronwall hits, that's where the problem usually starts.Not for nothing Great58, but "keep your head up" is kinda superfluous.
No, I agree. I mean, I don't think he launches himself as much as people say (though he has in the past), but his hits are always so awkward looking and I think that plays a part in that thinking. It's not like Scott Stevens where the shoulder was going to your head, especially if it was down.ExPatriatePen wrote:If it's effective, I'm not sure style points are important... amiright?dman66 wrote:The thing that bugs me most about Kronwall's hits is that he basically leads with his back all the time. Most of his bigger hits are like this and they look so awkward.
My question, building off the idea that his hits are often predictable and are all very similar in 'style', is how do you protect yourself as a forward? Go low?
Or like Rick Nash.bhaw wrote:Fair enough. I still say it doesn't matter. NHL has let him go after guys' heads for years. Then they showcase him when he's a bottom feeder who hides behind his teammates or the refs like Sean Avery.Rylan wrote:Ok then I agree with that. But if you guys are telling me that you can distinctly tell he left his feet prior to the hit I am going to have to say its inconclusive.bhaw wrote:The whole before/during/after distinction is all BS anyways. If you target a guy's head, who cares when you left your feet?
Keeping one's head up has no bearing on the right/wrongness of Kronwall's hits. It's just the best defense to avoid the hit, or minimizing the damage.shmenguin wrote:kronwall leaves his feet less than people think. he usually gets airborne after contact. which would be fine...except for the fact that he consistently makes people's heads the primary point of contact. whether or not the other guy was appropriately defending himself by "keeping his head up" couldn't be less relevant in terms of right/wrong.
Even if it's less than people think, it's still a lot. Not sure how he consistently gets away with it.shmenguin wrote:kronwall leaves his feet less than people think. he usually gets airborne after contact. which would be fine...except for the fact that he consistently makes people's heads the primary point of contact. whether or not the other guy was appropriately defending himself by "keeping his head up" couldn't be less relevant in terms of right/wrong.
Yeah, I do too. He's a good dman without the wipeout hits, but I can't say his hitting is a negative to me either. Love to see him in a Pen's uniform.Pavel Bure wrote:I wish he was on our team.
Matt Cooke elbows people in the face less than you think, too.shmenguin wrote:kronwall leaves his feet less than people think. he usually gets airborne after contact. which would be fine...except for the fact that he consistently makes people's heads the primary point of contact. whether or not the other guy was appropriately defending himself by "keeping his head up" couldn't be less relevant in terms of right/wrong.
In Nash's defense, he just sat down, you don't expect him to be able to stand back up that soon do you?Idoit40fans wrote:Or like Rick Nash.bhaw wrote:Fair enough. I still say it doesn't matter. NHL has let him go after guys' heads for years. Then they showcase him when he's a bottom feeder who hides behind his teammates or the refs like Sean Avery.Rylan wrote:Ok then I agree with that. But if you guys are telling me that you can distinctly tell he left his feet prior to the hit I am going to have to say its inconclusive.bhaw wrote:The whole before/during/after distinction is all BS anyways. If you target a guy's head, who cares when you left your feet?