Rylan wrote:Reading through that whole ordeal, I feel like I agree with columbia that it was redwill.
Just read back through, and I agree. The way redwill responded to columbia throwing his name out there was quite suspicious. I'm leaving work shortly, so he gets a bit of time to explain/defend himself before I check back in after dinner.
I'm also not quite sure how to read WK's play just yet. As MWB said, we can be reasonably certain that he's not blue and it seems like too risky a play for him to be green. The only thing that worries me is the chance that he's an independent with a win condition that requires him to be lynched by us.
To Wichita to get dog food.
To Towanda to put in a microchip.
Stopped at the vet to pick up some syringes (and pet the baby goats).
2 f'n hours at Wal-Mart to get my tires rotated and balanced.
To the supermarket.
To animal control to scope out some dogs and test them.
Back home.
Actually, I'm surprised no one has suggested killing WK. He's obviously not being completely honest about his role. I've been independent several times and the goal is never to unequivocally help the village. Otherwise, he'd be green, not orange.
I know columbia said not to kill WK, but I'm not sure why and I'm very not sure why it isn't even being discussed.
redwill wrote:He's obviously not being completely honest about his role. I've been independent several times and the goal is never to unequivocally help the village.
Actually, I am being completely honest about my role. I said my goal was to help the agents flush out the reds (with other conditions). Those other conditions don't prevent the agents (village) from winning. Any win I can achieve would have to be a shared win - I have no option for a solo win.
redwill wrote:Actually, I'm surprised no one has suggested killing WK. He's obviously not being completely honest about his role. I've been independent several times and the goal is never to unequivocally help the village. Otherwise, he'd be green, not orange.
I know columbia said not to kill WK, but I'm not sure why and I'm very not sure why it isn't even being discussed.
While I didn't explicitly say to kill WK, I said pretty much the exact same thing last page. The lack of others thinking the same makes me wonder if he has friends.
redwill wrote:Your role, as you describe it, sounds like a green RP.
I have chosen a similar path.
You are trickling out bits of info. You and the village would be better served with knowing what happened with your role. You seem to now be saying you've chosen to help the greens? So you are green now?
MWB wrote:You are trickling out bits of info. You and the village would be better served with knowing what happened with your role. You seem to now be saying you've chosen to help the greens? So you are green now?
As far as I know I'm still orange. I had several paths to a win and I chose to help the agents. The columbia dossier mix up wasn't my fault, I really thought he was red. I can now guarantee that if I leak a dossier that shows a good review of an agent - that agent is red.
MWB wrote:You are trickling out bits of info. You and the village would be better served with knowing what happened with your role. You seem to now be saying you've chosen to help the greens? So you are green now?
As far as I know I'm still orange. I had several paths to a win and I chose to help the agents. The columbia dossier mix up wasn't my fault, I really thought he was red. I can now guarantee that if I leak a dossier that shows a good review of an agent - that agent is red.
This is what every independent says.
You also said that you knew columbia was red. Not that you thought he was red.
I think at this point it behooves the town to attempt to kill a red rather than WK. We know he's independent, we know we can't trust anything from him at this point. He's just kind of there and if his stated win condition is true once/if the town is able to pull out 2 reds then we could off WK and continue the hunt for the other red/reds while possessing comfortable numbers. WK would also vote with the town most likely considering his stated win condition has to do with eliminating the reds.
Because even if it's a gambit and he's red it doesn't get him very far. No one will listen to him now and he's sure to be killed eventually. It's OK MWB you and Pecky should be gone soon enough if people are smart.
Pavel Bure wrote:I think at this point it behooves the town to attempt to kill a red rather than WK. We know he's independent, we know we can't trust anything from him at this point. He's just kind of there and if his stated win condition is true once/if the town is able to pull out 2 reds then we could off WK and continue the hunt for the other red/reds while possessing comfortable numbers. WK would also vote with the town most likely considering his stated win condition has to do with eliminating the reds.
I agree. I'm not pushing for a WK kill at this point. But I would like a little clarity ... a little honesty which I don't think he's giving. He's given us nothing -- he's given us less than nothing, in fact -- but wants us to let him live.
MWB wrote:You also said that you knew columbia was red. Not that you thought he was red.
All my info at the time told me he was red. I said to kill me today if I was wrong. You certainly wouldn't be out of line in doing so. Or you can keep me around and let me leak another dossier tonight to see what we get. I'm also concerned that there is another indy, likely aligned with the reds.
