Jerry Sandusky and Related Trials
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial
Remove Penn State from the discussion, how exactly do people expect the NCAA to address violations without affecting uninvolved people?
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when a school pays players, gets caught and loses future scholarships, people have complained about the punishment being unfair to the players not involved (not being snippy- just curious)?pfim wrote:To be fair, plenty of people have raked the NCAA over the coals over the years regarding this.shmenguin wrote:other than the fact that they've done this several times to a bunch of programs in the past and no one said boo about the unfairness of it then?thehockeyguru wrote:but how can you justify punishing the current players and coaches who weren't involved?
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial
Make all college athletics not for profit. Would that solve any issues?
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Well in cases like reggie bush and terel pryor ect, they leave and the rest of the kids usually miss bowl games. It happens all the time. It sucks, but it happensshmenguin wrote:when a school pays players, gets caught and loses future scholarships, people have complained about the punishment being unfair to the players not involved (not being snippy- just curious)?pfim wrote:To be fair, plenty of people have raked the NCAA over the coals over the years regarding this.shmenguin wrote:thehockeyguru wrote:but how can you justify punishing the current players and coaches who weren't involved?
other than the fact that they've done this several times to a bunch of programs in the past and no one said boo about the unfairness of it then?
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Well, it's never the "school" that pays players first off. Players who are long gone (Bush and Mayo) broke rules and the current coaches/players are sanctioned. How is that just?shmenguin wrote:when a school pays players, gets caught and loses future scholarships, people have complained about the punishment being unfair to the players not involved (not being snippy- just curious)?pfim wrote:To be fair, plenty of people have raked the NCAA over the coals over the years regarding this.shmenguin wrote:other than the fact that they've done this several times to a bunch of programs in the past and no one said boo about the unfairness of it then?thehockeyguru wrote:but how can you justify punishing the current players and coaches who weren't involved?
If anything, the PSU scandal crossed multiple departments of the school administration all the way up to the President, you could make the case that the punishment for the school is more appropriate.
And yes, plenty of people harp on and on about this. I mean, if you think about it long enough, what purpose does the NCAA really serve?
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Aren't they already non-profit since they belong to a public university?Rylan wrote:Make all college athletics not for profit. Would that solve any issues?
Any profit schools like PSU, OSU, Texas, etc. have goes to other athletic programs (or that's at least how I understand it at OSU).
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Yes, very few schools actually 'profit' off of their athletic departments as is.
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Why not pay players? That would solve a lot of issues.Rylan wrote:Make all college athletics not for profit. Would that solve any issues?
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I am not against it.pfim wrote:Why not pay players? That would solve a lot of issues.Rylan wrote:Make all college athletics not for profit. Would that solve any issues?
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Non-profit doesn't mean you don't profit, it means you keep the profits within the organization (the athletic dept).
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The fact that there are USC fans foaming at the mouth to recruit PSUs running back makes me want to vomit, almost as much as the NCAA using "culture" as the guise to justify themselves. They are only perpetuating the very culture that Emmert attempted to cripple.
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Let's be for real, NCAA is just as corrupt in search for financial prosperity as any one individual.
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I will say, it's rich that the NCAA is trying to take a stand against glorifying football tradition and coaches.
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this is a frustrating statement. you're either saying that PSU shouldn't have been punished by the NCAA or that players shouldn't be allowed to transfer out.DontToewsMeBro wrote:The fact that there are USC fans foaming at the mouth to recruit PSUs running back makes me want to vomit, almost as much as the NCAA using "culture" as the guise to justify themselves. They are only perpetuating the very culture that Emmert attempted to cripple.
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shafnutz05 wrote:I will say, it's rich that the NCAA is trying to take a stand against glorifying football tradition and coaches.
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The NCAA is hypocritical acting like its all about academics when in reality its about glorifying itself so that it can generate more money.columbia wrote:shafnutz05 wrote:I will say, it's rich that the NCAA is trying to take a stand against glorifying football tradition and coaches.
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Eh, incorrect on both accounts. I think when SEC coaches begin texting players 30 minutes after the sanctions are released, half a dozen Illinois coaches are dispatched on a poaching mission and camp outside players' apartments, and a 17 year old kid is forced to turn off his cell phone because of coaches scrambling to pick him up for their team, it's clear nobody got whatever delusional message the NCAA was attempting to send.shmenguin wrote:this is a frustrating statement. you're either saying that PSU shouldn't have been punished by the NCAA or that players shouldn't be allowed to transfer out.DontToewsMeBro wrote:The fact that there are USC fans foaming at the mouth to recruit PSUs running back makes me want to vomit, almost as much as the NCAA using "culture" as the guise to justify themselves. They are only perpetuating the very culture that Emmert attempted to cripple.
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i don't see how vulturing available recruits has anything to do with anythingDontToewsMeBro wrote:Eh, incorrect on both accounts. I think when SEC coaches begin texting players 30 minutes after the sanctions are released, half a dozen Illinois coaches are dispatched on a poaching mission and camp outside players' apartments, and a 17 year old kid is forced to turn off his cell phone because of coaches scrambling to pick him up for their team, it's clear nobody got whatever delusional message the NCAA was attempting to send.shmenguin wrote:this is a frustrating statement. you're either saying that PSU shouldn't have been punished by the NCAA or that players shouldn't be allowed to transfer out.DontToewsMeBro wrote:The fact that there are USC fans foaming at the mouth to recruit PSUs running back makes me want to vomit, almost as much as the NCAA using "culture" as the guise to justify themselves. They are only perpetuating the very culture that Emmert attempted to cripple.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial
I think the PSU fans, and alumni should take a cue from the current players.
Shut your whiny pie holes and get on with the season. You got football, and
make this year about the game and not the hype. Just hang together and go
out and play ball. I got a ton of respect for the players that aren't transferring
out, and are bucking up and staying with their team, maybe you could do the same.
Shut your whiny pie holes and get on with the season. You got football, and
make this year about the game and not the hype. Just hang together and go
out and play ball. I got a ton of respect for the players that aren't transferring
out, and are bucking up and staying with their team, maybe you could do the same.
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Hey, I posted earlier re: Bill O'Brien and how lucky Penn State is to have him. I think he is exactly the kind of person they need at the helm of that program.
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If you think the former automatically begets the latter, then you have a serious comprehension deficit.DudeMan2766 wrote:People are upset the NCAA didnt have a documented clear cut rule on what they can do in situations like this. Which says to me those would be happy if ncaa woukd have just said, welp no rules on this, carry in as usual Penn State.
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Penn State's general liability insurer files motion to argue denial of coverage.
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Don't worry only bowl bans and vacated wins ensure that Penn State will not "carry on as usual".viva la ben wrote:Penn State's general liability insurer files motion to argue denial of coverage.
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shmenguin wrote:i don't see how vulturing available recruits has anything to do with anythingDontToewsMeBro wrote:Eh, incorrect on both accounts. I think when SEC coaches begin texting players 30 minutes after the sanctions are released, half a dozen Illinois coaches are dispatched on a poaching mission and camp outside players' apartments, and a 17 year old kid is forced to turn off his cell phone because of coaches scrambling to pick him up for their team, it's clear nobody got whatever delusional message the NCAA was attempting to send.shmenguin wrote:this is a frustrating statement. you're either saying that PSU shouldn't have been punished by the NCAA or that players shouldn't be allowed to transfer out.DontToewsMeBro wrote:The fact that there are USC fans foaming at the mouth to recruit PSUs running back makes me want to vomit, almost as much as the NCAA using "culture" as the guise to justify themselves. They are only perpetuating the very culture that Emmert attempted to cripple.
It sends the message "You can't play in a bowl game so you have the right to leave". Isn't being a student athlete about more than just athletics? That's the line the NCAA throws out there.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial
They deserve everything coming to them.