Do they have to match the yearly cap hit or the actual structure of the contract? The yearly cap hit for them should be a no brainer, but they might not have the money up front that the Flyers are throwing at him.HockeyDaddy wrote:I hate the Flyers, Paul Holmgren is the devil, and I hate offer sheets. Now that that is out of the way:
I have never heard that Weber wants out of Nashville. I do know that he was extremely upset that Suter did not re-up with the Preds and that situation could have caused him to consider other options. This is an interesting situation. The Flyers could have done the Preds a favor by getting him to sign that OS, all they have to do is match it and he is a Pred for life. I am not sure that it was a great move be Weber to sign it, if he knows that Nashville will match. His loyalty to the team that he captains can now be called into question.
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Flyers have this cap thing down. Super long deals, good cap hits, if the guy gets injured he goes on LTIR and boom no more cap hit.
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I really still think they have to match. They are currently 14 million under the cap floor. If they don't sign Weber, how do they even get close to getting to that number? Offer Semin 1 year 14 millions dollars?
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I remember reading somewhere (twitter maybe so FWIW...) that Poile would match any offer for Weber. Sounds like a gambit by GMPH to force someone's hand. They should make him eat this and have virtually no good picks to support their system.shmenguin wrote:Its basically the same as Sid's deal, no?AlexPKeaton wrote:A 14 year deal sounds like it should be invalidated by Betman honestly.
At first glance, it seems like Nashville should just pack up their stuff and leave the league if they don't match this.
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From what I understand, the Preds only option is matching the exact same offer that he signed with the Flyers.AlexPKeaton wrote:Do they have to match the yearly cap hit or the actual structure of the contract? The yearly cap hit for them should be a no brainer, but they might not have the money up front that the Flyers are throwing at him.HockeyDaddy wrote:I hate the Flyers, Paul Holmgren is the devil, and I hate offer sheets. Now that that is out of the way:
I have never heard that Weber wants out of Nashville. I do know that he was extremely upset that Suter did not re-up with the Preds and that situation could have caused him to consider other options. This is an interesting situation. The Flyers could have done the Preds a favor by getting him to sign that OS, all they have to do is match it and he is a Pred for life. I am not sure that it was a great move be Weber to sign it, if he knows that Nashville will match. His loyalty to the team that he captains can now be called into question.
Here is another kicker: Weber has played 7 seasons in the league. This would take him to his 21st season. If he retires before that, his contract would come off the books. The amount of years is really no risk.
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The Preds have to match this. They will lose all their fans if they don't. They simply can't afford to lose both Weber and Suter in the same offseason.
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Thats why it should be invalidated; that was the problem with the Kovachoo contract...HockeyDaddy wrote:From what I understand, the Preds only option is matching the exact same offer that he signed with the Flyers.AlexPKeaton wrote:Do they have to match the yearly cap hit or the actual structure of the contract? The yearly cap hit for them should be a no brainer, but they might not have the money up front that the Flyers are throwing at him.HockeyDaddy wrote:I hate the Flyers, Paul Holmgren is the devil, and I hate offer sheets. Now that that is out of the way:
I have never heard that Weber wants out of Nashville. I do know that he was extremely upset that Suter did not re-up with the Preds and that situation could have caused him to consider other options. This is an interesting situation. The Flyers could have done the Preds a favor by getting him to sign that OS, all they have to do is match it and he is a Pred for life. I am not sure that it was a great move be Weber to sign it, if he knows that Nashville will match. His loyalty to the team that he captains can now be called into question.
Here is another kicker: Weber has played 7 seasons in the league. This would take him to his 21st season. If he retires before that, his contract would come off the books. The amount of years is really no risk.
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Rumor is that NSH was working with a few teams to trade Weber, PHI lost out and quickly signed him to this deal so that a deal with another team could not be completed.Pitt87 wrote:I remember reading somewhere (twitter maybe so FWIW...) that Poile would match any offer for Weber. Sounds like a gambit by GMPH to force someone's hand. They should make him eat this and have virtually no good picks to support their system.shmenguin wrote:Its basically the same as Sid's deal, no?AlexPKeaton wrote:A 14 year deal sounds like it should be invalidated by Betman honestly.
At first glance, it seems like Nashville should just pack up their stuff and leave the league if they don't match this.
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How long did it take the Kovachoo contract to be canceled? Bettman better work quick...last I heard he was kind of busy.Pitt87 wrote:HockeyDaddy wrote:From what I understand, the Preds only option is matching the exact same offer that he signed with the Flyers.AlexPKeaton wrote:Do they have to match the yearly cap hit or the actual structure of the contract? The yearly cap hit for them should be a no brainer, but they might not have the money up front that the Flyers are throwing at him.HockeyDaddy wrote:I hate the Flyers, Paul Holmgren is the devil, and I hate offer sheets. Now that that is out of the way:
I have never heard that Weber wants out of Nashville. I do know that he was extremely upset that Suter did not re-up with the Preds and that situation could have caused him to consider other options. This is an interesting situation. The Flyers could have done the Preds a favor by getting him to sign that OS, all they have to do is match it and he is a Pred for life. I am not sure that it was a great move be Weber to sign it, if he knows that Nashville will match. His loyalty to the team that he captains can now be called into question.
Here is another kicker: Weber has played 7 seasons in the league. This would take him to his 21st season. If he retires before that, his contract would come off the books. The amount of years is really no risk.
Thats why it should be invalidated; that was the problem with the Kovachoo contract...
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I think this, and the fact they are so far away from the cap floor, they must match it.farnham16 wrote:The Preds have to match this. They will lose all their fans if they don't. They simply can't afford to lose both Weber and Suter in the same offseason.
What are the penalties for being below the cap floor?
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Giroux is a RFA in 2014. Just sayin'.
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Sounds like Philthy. "If we can't have him no one can." Except Nashville.HockeyDaddy wrote:Rumor is that NSH was working with a few teams to trade Weber, PHI lost out and quickly signed him to this deal so that a deal with another team could not be completed.Pitt87 wrote:I remember reading somewhere (twitter maybe so FWIW...) that Poile would match any offer for Weber. Sounds like a gambit by GMPH to force someone's hand. They should make him eat this and have virtually no good picks to support their system.shmenguin wrote:Its basically the same as Sid's deal, no?AlexPKeaton wrote:A 14 year deal sounds like it should be invalidated by Betman honestly.
At first glance, it seems like Nashville should just pack up their stuff and leave the league if they don't match this.
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Interesting: if the Preds match, they can't trade him for a year. The Flyers must have slipped a NMC in that contract. Or is that a part of an offer sheet contract?
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It's a simple matter of whether or not Nashville has the cash to pay the bonuses. It doesn't seem all that likely to be honest, they will likely need to go out and borrow that money.
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Losing a couple firsts, a second and third would be worth it. Is that value high enough for 4 firsts? Either way, it would be worth it for sure.Pitt87 wrote:I remember reading somewhere (twitter maybe so FWIW...) that Poile would match any offer for Weber. Sounds like a gambit by GMPH to force someone's hand. They should make him eat this and have virtually no good picks to support their system.shmenguin wrote:Its basically the same as Sid's deal, no?AlexPKeaton wrote:A 14 year deal sounds like it should be invalidated by Betman honestly.
At first glance, it seems like Nashville should just pack up their stuff and leave the league if they don't match this.
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I would bet a whole lot of money that he is never an RFA.HockeyDaddy wrote:Giroux is a RFA in 2014. Just sayin'.
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I would too, however, that year they will also need to work out deals with Schenn and Couturier.Idoit40fans wrote:I would bet a whole lot of money that he is never an RFA.HockeyDaddy wrote:Giroux is a RFA in 2014. Just sayin'.
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I'm confused with what you're saying. Is it 4 firsts or would the flyers be giving up 2 firsts, 1 second, and 1 third?Idoit40fans wrote:Losing a couple firsts, a second and third would be worth it. Is that value high enough for 4 firsts? Either way, it would be worth it for sure.Pitt87 wrote:I remember reading somewhere (twitter maybe so FWIW...) that Poile would match any offer for Weber. Sounds like a gambit by GMPH to force someone's hand. They should make him eat this and have virtually no good picks to support their system.shmenguin wrote:Its basically the same as Sid's deal, no?AlexPKeaton wrote:A 14 year deal sounds like it should be invalidated by Betman honestly.
At first glance, it seems like Nashville should just pack up their stuff and leave the league if they don't match this.
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Craig Adams will need a contract worked out at the same time as Malkin is eligible to be negotiated with. It sounds like an extreme example but its not.HockeyDaddy wrote:I would too, however, that year they will also need to work out deals with Schenn and Couturier.Idoit40fans wrote:I would bet a whole lot of money that he is never an RFA.HockeyDaddy wrote:Giroux is a RFA in 2014. Just sayin'.
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It's part of matching any offer sheet that the team can't trade the player for one year.Digitalgypsy66 wrote:Interesting: if the Preds match, they can't trade him for a year. The Flyers must have slipped a NMC in that contract. Or is that a part of an offer sheet contract?
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How anyone can think 7+ a year for Weber is bad blows my mind. Also about the Flyers losing 4 picks and having no depth, is that what we said when they traded for Pronger- they now have a younger team then most in the league. This is the type of move Shero should have made. Proactive rather than reactive.
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My point is, if I'm Nashville and upset with Holmgren's antics, I would send an offer sheet to one of their young players as soon as I can. If Nashville has cap space that could offer Schenn or Couturier an above value contract for a few years...of course, I am not sure if either of those guys would be worth giving up picks for.Idoit40fans wrote:Craig Adams will need a contract worked out at the same time as Malkin is eligible to be negotiated with. It sounds like an extreme example but its not.HockeyDaddy wrote:I would too, however, that year they will also need to work out deals with Schenn and Couturier.Idoit40fans wrote:I would bet a whole lot of money that he is never an RFA.HockeyDaddy wrote:Giroux is a RFA in 2014. Just sayin'.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber
Flyer scum.
Smart move on their part. But they are still scum.
Smart move on their part. But they are still scum.
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This really, really scares me.