I'd like to see that. And that was before it became a billion dollar business.columbia wrote:I wish I could dig it up, but there's a famous essay from the President of the University of Chicago, when they left the Big 10 in the 30s.DontToewsMeBro wrote:I urge everybody posting regularly in this thread to read Beer & Circus. A good read about the corruptive and absolute power college athletics has on higher education.
He railed against the inflated importance of college athletics.
Jerry Sandusky and Related Trials
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It read like hyperbole to me.skullman80 wrote:Dig up his grave? burn his bones?
I mean.. really? seriously?
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Isn't there more information to be released in October?
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Buzz Bissinger unloads every barrel within reach....
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... tball.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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columbia wrote:Buzz Bissinger unloads every barrel within reach....
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... tball.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
that's pretty good stuff right thereI personally can’t imagine the Penn State football team taking the field this season. I can’t imagine the players running out of the tunnel pumped up like psychopathic creatures, slapping each other on the helmet, the ritualistic bounce of shoulder pad against shoulder pad.
But they will, because this is America and this is football. We are the only society in the world that looks to universities and colleges for primary sources of sports entertainment. I pray that I am wrong, but I am convinced that the Nittany Lions will take that field. There will no doubt be a moment of prayer before the game for the Sandusky victims, as if that means anything, lessens what happened to them. Then it will be time for the home opener. The 110,000 strong of Beaver Stadium, who like their university haven’t learned anything, will roar and bellow and get drunk. And the Freeh report will fade into the midst, like most reports do.
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Buzz Bissinger is an obnoxious blowhard.
He has been calling for the complete elimination of athletic teams in both college and high school for quite some time now. There was an article in Forbes a while back that tried to counter him:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/ ... academics/
He has been calling for the complete elimination of athletic teams in both college and high school for quite some time now. There was an article in Forbes a while back that tried to counter him:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/ ... academics/
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I think it's impossible, football season or no football season, to come away from this situation in any matter of connection to the university, whether it be a student, an alum, a player on the team, a fan, or a hater and not learn something from it."Who like their university haven't learned anything."
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He must be a Pitt or Ohio State fan.
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No this has nothing to do with what college he went to, I've always found him to be annoying. It has more to do with his overwhelming hatred for any kind of intercollegiate athletics than anything else.
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we're in too deep to start thinking about abolishing college football, but i don't disagree with the sentiment behind buzz's ideas thereshafnutz05 wrote:Buzz Bissinger is an obnoxious blowhard.
He has been calling for the complete elimination of athletic teams in both college and high school for quite some time now. There was an article in Forbes a while back that tried to counter him:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/ ... academics/
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Whether you like him or not, he was right all along about the severity of and people involved in the coverup.shafnutz05 wrote:No this has nothing to do with what college he went to, I've always found him to be annoying. It has more to do with his overwhelming hatred for any kind of intercollegiate athletics than anything else.
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OK, he was right about Penn State. He and a lot of other people were.columbia wrote:Whether you like him or not, he was right all along about the severity of and people involved in the coverup.shafnutz05 wrote:No this has nothing to do with what college he went to, I've always found him to be annoying. It has more to do with his overwhelming hatred for any kind of intercollegiate athletics than anything else.
He's stated in the past that college football serves no academic or financial purpose. Football (and to a lesser extent, basketball) programs dump millions of dollars into scholarship programs for non-athletic students, not to mention the tons of dollars they send to other academic programs. Pretty much every other college sport loses money (which makes sense), but they are kept running by football.
Now, Buzz will say, "Who cares, intercollegiate athletics need to go." I'm sorry, I think an athletic program is a good thing at any school. And not just football and basketball, but all of those other sports that are ingrained as a part of the college experience.
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I'm not agreeing with his idea of getting rid of athletics.
However - as I said before - I can't really identify with the importance placed on it within certain college/university communities.
It seems out of control....but I doubt that will change.
However - as I said before - I can't really identify with the importance placed on it within certain college/university communities.
It seems out of control....but I doubt that will change.
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Football does nothing to improve the idea that academics are paramount to the college experience. Removing football, and all collegiate athletics for that matter, does nothing to improve the idea that academics are paramount to the college experience. When Universities run diploma mills for the sake of profit,as they are now, all hope is lost.
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Yeah, I suppose that's also true canaan. I don't really think they are fundamental to academics, but I don't think they are nearly as big of a damaging factor as he makes them out to be.
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Remember Andres Escobar? Out of control? Well, yeah. Still had Columbian soccer...columbia wrote:I'm not agreeing with his idea of getting rid of athletics.
However - as I said before - I can't really identify with the importance placed on it within certain college/university communities.
It seems out of control....but I doubt that will change.
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I think he has a beef with Division I athletics, which is a common stance, and a valid one at that.shafnutz05 wrote:Yeah, I suppose that's also true canaan. I don't really think they are fundamental to academics, but I don't think they are nearly as big of a damaging factor as he makes them out to be.
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As a PSU alum, the fact that a student run blog posted this today is what I HATE about Penn State for a million different reasons:
http://onwardstate.com/2012/07/16/local ... own-remix/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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They're not all like that.canaan wrote:When Universities run diploma mills for the sake of profit,as they are now, all hope is lost.
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I went to Juniata College, a charming little DIII school in Huntingdon. It was most certainly not a diploma mill, but I know a lot of larger schools are.
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i don't know about other schools, but where i went, the lives of typical football and basketball players had nothing to do with the rest of us mortals. didn't stop me from going nuts at games, but i certainly understand the perspective that these programs aren't connected to what college is supposed to be. and that's even without considering the guys at the top of the house who don't give 2 charcoals about the school culture and who are going to some dark places to extract every cent they can out of these teams.
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That analogy would vaguely make sense if an assistant coach had shot him and the manager covered it up.count2infinity wrote:Remember Andres Escobar? Out of control? Well, yeah. Still had Columbian soccer...columbia wrote:I'm not agreeing with his idea of getting rid of athletics.
However - as I said before - I can't really identify with the importance placed on it within certain college/university communities.
It seems out of control....but I doubt that will change.
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sorry...saw your name and that was the first thing i thought of that was a sports team that seemed to have fans and associates that were out of controlcolumbia wrote:That analogy would vaguely make sense if an assistant coach had shot him and the manager covered it up.count2infinity wrote:Remember Andres Escobar? Out of control? Well, yeah. Still had Columbian soccer...columbia wrote:I'm not agreeing with his idea of getting rid of athletics.
However - as I said before - I can't really identify with the importance placed on it within certain college/university communities.
It seems out of control....but I doubt that will change.
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I've thought about this quite a bit. If the football program gets shut down, what purpose does that serve? Who is it benefiting? We know it would hurt people not involved in the cover-up, but does it punish anyone who was involved? Seems like a knee-jerk response.
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It would either be a case of the NCAA flexing its muscles or caving into the pressure of the media. It would serve no purpose. The death penalty on the football program wouldn't deter this from happening again.MWB wrote:I've thought about this quite a bit. If the football program gets shut down, what purpose does that serve? Who is it benefiting? We know it would hurt people not involved in the cover-up, but does it punish anyone who was involved? Seems like a knee-jerk response.