What happened to Ovechkin?
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
i guarantee that the team, the coaches, management - everyone wanted ovechkin to shoot that much because they felt it increased their chances of winning.
and they were right
and they were right
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
Ovechkin would have been fine in the NHL of 25 years ago.
Unfortunately, today's NHL requires team play, systems, effort up and down the ice. Look at the amount of superstar players that block shots. EVERYBODY is expected to do it. Years ago, "offensive" guys didn't block shots. Ever.
Ovechkin's big scoring years were anomalies in today's NHL. He hasn't made necessary adjustments to improve his game, and teams have focused on limiting his good chances along with predictability increasing ease of defending him.
Look at Crosby for an example of a guy that has improved facets of his game since entering the league. He became a great faceoff guy. He became a great shooter. He became a net-front presence. He didn't rest on his speed. He wasn't satisfied with snarky "Adam Oates on steroids" descriptions.
Guys like Ovechkin and Kovalchoo are fun to watch, but they aren't all they can be and their teams suffer for it. That is the NHL today. Systems systems systems, sacrifice sacrifice sacrifice.
Unfortunately, today's NHL requires team play, systems, effort up and down the ice. Look at the amount of superstar players that block shots. EVERYBODY is expected to do it. Years ago, "offensive" guys didn't block shots. Ever.
Ovechkin's big scoring years were anomalies in today's NHL. He hasn't made necessary adjustments to improve his game, and teams have focused on limiting his good chances along with predictability increasing ease of defending him.
Look at Crosby for an example of a guy that has improved facets of his game since entering the league. He became a great faceoff guy. He became a great shooter. He became a net-front presence. He didn't rest on his speed. He wasn't satisfied with snarky "Adam Oates on steroids" descriptions.
Guys like Ovechkin and Kovalchoo are fun to watch, but they aren't all they can be and their teams suffer for it. That is the NHL today. Systems systems systems, sacrifice sacrifice sacrifice.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
Ovy has relied on the same bag of moves now since he came into the league and has milked them for all their worth. He got away with it for some very productive years in there but now everyone has him figured out. He apparently has zero interest in refining his game which reaks of laziness and therefore has seen his production decline over the last two years.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
I don't know who you're referring to, but I didn't even imply that winning an individual award means that a player doesn't care about winning the cup. I said that's not what teams play for -- and therefore coaches are not encouraging individual guys to take 500+ shots.Froggy wrote:lol... i hate this attitude that somehow winning individual awards means that you don't care about winning in the playoffs. I really think people started saying this when ovi won the hart over geno those 2 years in a row, and just never realized how stupid it sounds.Desiato wrote:That would only be true if teams played to win the Rocket Richard trophy. Almost every team is either playing to make the playoffs or win the cup. This is a team sport, remember?shmenguin wrote:still doesn't matter. same standards apply. even if it involved taking 200% more shots that malkin, every player would do it and every coach would encourage it if it meant 65 goals were coming.
I think it goes without saying that if any player shoots more, they will score more; but probably with less efficiency. Ovehkin's shot is much better than his low shooting percentage suggests, which is an indication to me that he takes too many bad shots.
Taking bad shots is contrary to the Pens puck possession system. I'd say smart puck movement, team play, discipline and efficiency are at the core of the Pens philosophy. So as a Pens fan in 2011 -- as opposed to 1998 -- I think Ovechkin and the Caps were playing the wrong way to win the cup.also, if you lead the league in shots by that large amount, then you are a dominant offensive player. if you call yourself a pens fan, and say that puck possession and shot differential are no big deal, then i don't know what to tell you. plus, the dude put up 65 goals. regardless of his shooting %, that is NUTS in today's NHL.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
Among the current top 25 in PPG 1 is blocking more than 1 shot a game. The majority blocks no more than 0.4 shots a game. Crosby's usually at about 0.5 blocked shots per game. Ovechkin at about 0.33 09-11, which is higher than several other prime point getters. Wouldn't use it as a major argument against Ovechkin.penmyst wrote:Look at the amount of superstar players that block shots. EVERYBODY is expected to do it. Years ago, "offensive" guys didn't block shots. Ever.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
You have to admit, though, that systems play a much larger role in today's NHL.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
Ovechkin still sucks. He's fat and and just sucks.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
If I'm Hunter I strip the "C" off him and then explain that I'm turning him loose and tell him to get back to his shoot first ask questions about everything else including defense later ways. I tell him I expect him to lead the league in SOG by the all star break and to keep it up. I also just rotate 3 "A's" because no one on that team is a leader currently and until someone proves they are there is no captain.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
He's not fat. He's big-boned.DocEmrick wrote:Ovechkin still sucks. He's fat and and just sucks.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
I'm just going to put this here-
Crosby vs AO
Sid 2G, 9A, 11P
Ovechkin 8G, 10A, 18P
The race is on.
Crosby vs AO
Sid 2G, 9A, 11P
Ovechkin 8G, 10A, 18P
The race is on.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
Ovie only had 16+ minutes tonight. Semin 14+. Hunter played his big dogs 25+ with London, but maybe his approach will be different in the NHL with greater depth.
Obviously too soon to tell based on 1 game, but symbolically its odd that Lumpy was criticized in some quarters for only playing Ovie 18+ and Hunter came in below that in his very visible first game.
Obviously too soon to tell based on 1 game, but symbolically its odd that Lumpy was criticized in some quarters for only playing Ovie 18+ and Hunter came in below that in his very visible first game.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
He didn't have a problem playing Backstrom and Laich over 19 min each.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
Ovi = Jagr but Jagrs production never went down. Well it did after he left Pittsburgh.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
I was just about to post it! (Yes, I get all my news from Czech tabloids )Tico Rick wrote:Maybe this is what happened to Ovechkin:
http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/blog/bus ... ten-wp3916
- so at least here are better pictures, courtesy of blesk.cz:
The rest is here:
http://isport.blesk.cz/galerie/svet-hvezd/99398/?foto=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I could see Knuble or Laich becoming captain.Pavel Bure wrote:If I'm Hunter I strip the "C" off him and then explain that I'm turning him loose and tell him to get back to his shoot first ask questions about everything else including defense later ways. I tell him I expect him to lead the league in SOG by the all star break and to keep it up. I also just rotate 3 "A's" because no one on that team is a leader currently and until someone proves they are there is no captain.
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Don't forget Crosby's deflections. He was real good at that last year. It's such a small thing but he wanted to perfect it.penmyst wrote:Ovechkin would have been fine in the NHL of 25 years ago.
Unfortunately, today's NHL requires team play, systems, effort up and down the ice. Look at the amount of superstar players that block shots. EVERYBODY is expected to do it. Years ago, "offensive" guys didn't block shots. Ever.
Ovechkin's big scoring years were anomalies in today's NHL. He hasn't made necessary adjustments to improve his game, and teams have focused on limiting his good chances along with predictability increasing ease of defending him.
Look at Crosby for an example of a guy that has improved facets of his game since entering the league. He became a great faceoff guy. He became a great shooter. He became a net-front presence. He didn't rest on his speed. He wasn't satisfied with snarky "Adam Oates on steroids" descriptions.
Guys like Ovechkin and Kovalchoo are fun to watch, but they aren't all they can be and their teams suffer for it. That is the NHL today. Systems systems systems, sacrifice sacrifice sacrifice.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
That would be a good thing.no name wrote:Ovi = Jagr but Jagrs production never went down. Well it did after he left Pittsburgh.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
Doesn't appear that fitness is an issue with her, though it may be with Ovi:Tico Rick wrote:Maybe this is what happened to Ovechkin:
http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/blog/bus ... ten-wp3916
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
lol, I love romances like this that are so blatantly about the person's money/fame. He is as ugly as the ass end of a donkey
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
You prefer romances that are so blatantly about the persons looks, then?shafnutz05 wrote:lol, I love romances like this that are so blatantly about the person's money/fame. He is as ugly as the ass end of a donkey
Why is it bad if somebody judges others on their bank account, but not bad if they judge them on their looks? At least they may have worked for that bank account, unlike the looks their parents' genes bestowed upon them with no effort on their part.
For all we know, Ovechkin is a cool guy.
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Oh he is. He's always up in the clubs in DC, he doesn't get annoyed with people either. Always taking pictures and stuff. I'd shoot the **** with him if he wasn't on the Capitals.penmyst wrote:You prefer romances that are so blatantly about the persons looks, then?shafnutz05 wrote:lol, I love romances like this that are so blatantly about the person's money/fame. He is as ugly as the ass end of a donkey
Why is it bad if somebody judges others on their bank account, but not bad if they judge them on their looks? At least they may have worked for that bank account, unlike the looks their parents' genes bestowed upon them with no effort on their part.
For all we know, Ovechkin is a cool guy.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
So AO has a really hot girlfriend, does Crosby one-up him?
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
Sid is a womanizer. He's making the whole NHL his *****.
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Re: What happened to Ovechkin?
I hope Sid stays 100% focused on the Pens and himself for oh let's say the next 10 years. Then he is allowed to date.