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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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IronDukes37 wrote:
Boogeyman
Who the hell is this troll?
Obvious double account trying to stir up ****.
Weak.
Go to bed.
Double account? what?

Can you read? And if so Shamous, have you read any of the recent posts here?

No one is trolling.
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Boogyman. You're bringing FOX news and Beck into this? You're making it way too personal.
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Dave's_a_Killer wrote:
IronDukes37 wrote:
Boogeyman
Who the hell is this troll?
Obvious double account trying to stir up ****.
Weak.
Go to bed.

34 posts all in this thread.
So how many posts can I make in one thread Glenn, without being considered a troll.
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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Boogeyman wrote:
Dave's_a_Killer wrote:
IronDukes37 wrote:
Boogeyman
Who the hell is this troll?
Obvious double account trying to stir up ****.
Weak.
Go to bed.

34 posts all in this thread.
So how many posts can I make in one thread Glenn, without being considered a troll.

30 posts Guy. Plus I didn't call you a troll.
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Boogeyman, that is odd that you posted that. Because I just went to Jagr's wikipedia page and it says this:
In 2000–01, Jágr was held hostage by the Russian Mafia of Pittsburgh on July 7 as they were trying to collect their money. Jagr didn't have the money since he lost most of it at the Casino. The mafia let him go, but said he had 1 week to pay them or else. On July 8, Jagr then went to his good friend and owner, Mario Lemieux, about the situation and they worked out a deal. Lemieux agreed to trade him, only if he would return to the club 10 years later when all debts were paid. 3 days after this meeting between the 2, Jagr was traded to the Washington Capitals with František Kučera in exchange for Kris Beech, Michal Sivek, and Ross Lupaschuk. This trade has gone down as one of the worst in NHL history for both teams.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarom%C3%A ... h_Penguins" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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Boogeyman wrote:
Dave's_a_Killer wrote:
IronDukes37 wrote:
Boogeyman
Who the hell is this troll?
Obvious double account trying to stir up ****.
Weak.
Go to bed.

34 posts all in this thread.
So how many posts can I make in one thread Glenn, without being considered a troll.
35
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pittsports87 wrote:Boogeyman, that is odd that you posted that. Because I just went to Jagr's wikipedia page and it says this:
In 2000–01, Jágr was held hostage by the Russian Mafia of Pittsburgh on July 7 as they were trying to collect their money. Jagr didn't have the money since he lost most of it at the Casino. The mafia let him go, but said he had 1 week to pay them or else. On July 8, Jagr then went to his good friend and owner, Mario Lemieux, about the situation and they worked out a deal. Lemieux agreed to trade him, only if he would return to the club 10 years later when all debts were paid. 3 days after this meeting between the 2, Jagr was traded to the Washington Capitals with František Kučera in exchange for Kris Beech, Michal Sivek, and Ross Lupaschuk. This trade has gone down as one of the worst in NHL history for both teams.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarom%C3%A ... h_Penguins" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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jwest21 wrote:
Boogeyman wrote:
Dave's_a_Killer wrote:
IronDukes37 wrote:
Boogeyman
Who the hell is this troll?
Obvious double account trying to stir up ****.
Weak.
Go to bed.

34 posts all in this thread.
So how many posts can I make in one thread Glenn, without being considered a troll.
35
Unless you're Lesky.
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pittsports87 wrote:Boogeyman, that is odd that you posted that. Because I just went to Jagr's wikipedia page and it says this:
In 2000–01, Jágr was held hostage by the Russian Mafia of Pittsburgh on July 7 as they were trying to collect their money. Jagr didn't have the money since he lost most of it at the Casino. The mafia let him go, but said he had 1 week to pay them or else. On July 8, Jagr then went to his good friend and owner, Mario Lemieux, about the situation and they worked out a deal. Lemieux agreed to trade him, only if he would return to the club 10 years later when all debts were paid. 3 days after this meeting between the 2, Jagr was traded to the Washington Capitals with František Kučera in exchange for Kris Beech, Michal Sivek, and Ross Lupaschuk. This trade has gone down as one of the worst in NHL history for both teams.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarom%C3%A ... h_Penguins" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:lol:

You guys are spot on about wiki. I get it. I even hesitated to quote it. However, it's been up there for years. I've also heard people like Savran and Steigerwald mention it. If you don't want to take that as fact, you certainly don't have to.
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tjand72 wrote:Image
:D LOL, I thoroughly enjoyed that.

(alot more than I'm enjoying actual Jagr watch
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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Boogeyman wrote:
Ben Klingston wrote:
Boogeyman wrote:In 2000–01, Jágr was struggling to find his scoring touch and faced criticisms about his relationship with coach Ivan Hlinka.[5] With the return of Mario Lemieux from retirement, the Penguins had two superstars but friction developed between the two; Jágr held the captaincy but many fans regarded Lemieux as the talisman of the team. Also, the struggling, small-market Penguins could, with Lemieux back, no longer hope to afford Jágr's massive salary. Thus on July 11, 2001, they traded him (along with František Kučera) to the Washington Capitals for Kris Beech, Michal Sivek and Ross Lupaschuk.


From Jagr's wiki. For those of you asking for references.

Well, that's a start. Unfortunately, it's Wiki, which can be edited by anyone. I'd start to listen to you if the Wiki article had a link to an article documenting the supposed rift between Lemieux and Jagr. The only article I see linked in that article is http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey ... d_jagr_ap/ It talks about Jagr's slump and sulking that year, but it's dated 12/9 - roughly 3 weeks before Mario's comeback. So there is no connection that his comeback caused a rift between the two on or off the ice.

Here's what I found with that "Google" think you linked us to:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey ... meback_ap/

It's about a week after Mario's comeback

Some highlights:

As well as Lemieux has played since ending his 3 1/2-year retirement, he has made Jagr play even better.

Think Lemieux's comeback isn't having an immediate and a dramatic effect on the Penguins, who now consider themselves a prime candidate to win the Stanley Cup?

Just ask Jagr, who is suddenly playing again with the enthusiasm and fun of a school kid and the skill of a three-time defending NHL scoring champion.

"He's making a big difference," Jagr said

"Everything has changed since he came back," Jagr said. "All of a sudden, there isn't one guy on me all the time. I feel like I'm playing a different game now. There's always someone open, and they have to respect everybody on the rink."


You could argue that what would Jagr be expected to say, considering Lemieux owned the team at that point. However, if it was just lip service, there wouldn't have been a dramatic spike in Jagr's on-ice performance after Mario came back. He absolutely jump-started Jagr, physically and mentally.

Now, I'm not saying that it lasted. In the end, Jagr still sulked and left, I have never heard anything and more importantly, read anything, suggesting that his unhappiness and departure was even partially attributed to a rift with Lemieux or sharing the spotlight. Everything I've read and hear shows that his sulking and leaving was in spite of the effect of Mario's comeback; it delayed that sulking and Mario's play, along with Jagr's improved play for periods of time, along with the rest of the team, led them to the ECF that year. Stating Jagr was a baby and sulked because of Lemieux's comeback is simply not true based on everything I have ever read and heard. That's 10 years ago, so I am not saying I'm 100% infallible, but until I see or hear something different, and I really am not trying to be a dick about this, I have to question your memory of things things.

I heard Savran's interview on DVE last week and I did not hear what you heard.

I'm seriously interested in trying to find something to the contrary of what I've found documented... anyone else out there know differently?

Well I appreciate you not being a dick about it, as I was. I got my info from Savaran on DVE. I did not read it anywhere online. I tried a google search as well.

But really, it was 2001... the internets wasn't as common place for that type of gossip as it is now.
True, but there are articles to the contrary. If your version was true, it would have been insanely huge news and there would have been multiple documented articles about it. I still haven't seen one.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you say 'gossip'.
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People are slacking. Only 11 pages since I was last one here. I'm disappointed

:D
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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Boogeyman wrote:
pittsports87 wrote:Boogeyman, that is odd that you posted that. Because I just went to Jagr's wikipedia page and it says this:
In 2000–01, Jágr was held hostage by the Russian Mafia of Pittsburgh on July 7 as they were trying to collect their money. Jagr didn't have the money since he lost most of it at the Casino. The mafia let him go, but said he had 1 week to pay them or else. On July 8, Jagr then went to his good friend and owner, Mario Lemieux, about the situation and they worked out a deal. Lemieux agreed to trade him, only if he would return to the club 10 years later when all debts were paid. 3 days after this meeting between the 2, Jagr was traded to the Washington Capitals with František Kučera in exchange for Kris Beech, Michal Sivek, and Ross Lupaschuk. This trade has gone down as one of the worst in NHL history for both teams.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarom%C3%A ... h_Penguins" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:lol:

You guys are spot on about wiki. I get it. I even hesitated to quote it. However, it's been up there for years. I've also heard people like Savran and Steigerwald mention it. If you don't want to take that as fact, you certainly don't have to.
Damn, Wikipedia changed it back already.
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Jagr sleeps
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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stopper40 wrote:People are slacking. Only 11 pages since I was last one here. I'm disappointed

:D
We should get some sleep though. Tomorrow's going to be an emotional day. :wink:
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Jagr married? kids? gay?... most likely alone in life and reasons for trouble making those important decisions
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Ben Klingston wrote:
Boogeyman wrote:
Ben Klingston wrote:
Boogeyman wrote:In 2000–01, Jágr was struggling to find his scoring touch and faced criticisms about his relationship with coach Ivan Hlinka.[5] With the return of Mario Lemieux from retirement, the Penguins had two superstars but friction developed between the two; Jágr held the captaincy but many fans regarded Lemieux as the talisman of the team. Also, the struggling, small-market Penguins could, with Lemieux back, no longer hope to afford Jágr's massive salary. Thus on July 11, 2001, they traded him (along with František Kučera) to the Washington Capitals for Kris Beech, Michal Sivek and Ross Lupaschuk.


From Jagr's wiki. For those of you asking for references.

Well, that's a start. Unfortunately, it's Wiki, which can be edited by anyone. I'd start to listen to you if the Wiki article had a link to an article documenting the supposed rift between Lemieux and Jagr. The only article I see linked in that article is http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey ... d_jagr_ap/ It talks about Jagr's slump and sulking that year, but it's dated 12/9 - roughly 3 weeks before Mario's comeback. So there is no connection that his comeback caused a rift between the two on or off the ice.

Here's what I found with that "Google" think you linked us to:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey ... meback_ap/

It's about a week after Mario's comeback

Some highlights:

As well as Lemieux has played since ending his 3 1/2-year retirement, he has made Jagr play even better.

Think Lemieux's comeback isn't having an immediate and a dramatic effect on the Penguins, who now consider themselves a prime candidate to win the Stanley Cup?

Just ask Jagr, who is suddenly playing again with the enthusiasm and fun of a school kid and the skill of a three-time defending NHL scoring champion.

"He's making a big difference," Jagr said

"Everything has changed since he came back," Jagr said. "All of a sudden, there isn't one guy on me all the time. I feel like I'm playing a different game now. There's always someone open, and they have to respect everybody on the rink."


You could argue that what would Jagr be expected to say, considering Lemieux owned the team at that point. However, if it was just lip service, there wouldn't have been a dramatic spike in Jagr's on-ice performance after Mario came back. He absolutely jump-started Jagr, physically and mentally.

Now, I'm not saying that it lasted. In the end, Jagr still sulked and left, I have never heard anything and more importantly, read anything, suggesting that his unhappiness and departure was even partially attributed to a rift with Lemieux or sharing the spotlight. Everything I've read and hear shows that his sulking and leaving was in spite of the effect of Mario's comeback; it delayed that sulking and Mario's play, along with Jagr's improved play for periods of time, along with the rest of the team, led them to the ECF that year. Stating Jagr was a baby and sulked because of Lemieux's comeback is simply not true based on everything I have ever read and heard. That's 10 years ago, so I am not saying I'm 100% infallible, but until I see or hear something different, and I really am not trying to be a dick about this, I have to question your memory of things things.

I heard Savran's interview on DVE last week and I did not hear what you heard.

I'm seriously interested in trying to find something to the contrary of what I've found documented... anyone else out there know differently?

Well I appreciate you not being a dick about it, as I was. I got my info from Savaran on DVE. I did not read it anywhere online. I tried a google search as well.

But really, it was 2001... the internets wasn't as common place for that type of gossip as it is now.
True, but there are articles to the contrary. If your version was true, it would have been insanely huge news and there would have been multiple documented articles about it. I still haven't seen one.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you say 'gossip'.


Could be. Not sure why Savaran would just make stories up a decade later. To quote Savaran, he said "Jagr knew that Mario would never be blamed for any of the teams failures and that it would in turn be blamed on him (Jagr)".
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spiritfan wrote:Jagr married? kids? gay?... most likely alone in life and reasons for trouble making those important decisions
I don't think he's gay. I remember a story he once got caught by a cop (while with Pittsburgh) with a girl doing unspeakable things to her in his car. I guess he couldn't wait to get home.
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I'm not sure that this means anything (and I apologize if it's already been posted), but...

http://penguins.nhl.com/club/search.htm ... iew=images" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Sarcastic wrote:
stopper40 wrote:People are slacking. Only 11 pages since I was last one here. I'm disappointed

:D
We should get some sleep though. Tomorrow's going to be an emotional day. :wink:
I think I will, thanks. I'm off tomorrow so at noon I'll have 4 or 5 different pages open waiting for some kind of news
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Kovacevic: A message from Mario
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 44778.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks to the terrific techies here at the Trib, I was able to intercept this email very early this morning from Mario Lemieux to Jaromir Jagr.

OK, not really, but just go with it ...
I wonder if DK also got that press release from the airport. :slug:
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Jagr is a bachelor
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ams wrote:I'm not sure that this means anything (and I apologize if it's already been posted), but...

http://penguins.nhl.com/club/search.htm ... iew=images" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;







hmmmmmmm......... :?: