Jagr Watch 2017

[malksby8771]

1.3M - 1.5M offer for Jagr!?! Thats just awful! Why would we need a 3-4M salary cap cushion!?! I think RS can offer JJ better deal. 2.5M at least!

Again, couldn't agree more...seems awfully low for a guy of his talent level.

[Henry Hank]

I agree with everything you said, but 2M is already a paycut IMO. I think other teams in the NHL could and would offer more if he hadn't expressed such openness to join the Pens. I kinda think for 2M, a guy who will no doubt score 60 points or more with us and retire as a Penguin thereby cementing his legacy here, is a more than fair offer.

Why would he no doubt score 60 points? I think a reasonable expectation for 82 games is ~50 points, and that's if he can actually hold up for an entire NHL season at his age. The Pens have plenty of experience with over the hill players. They know not to expect too much. The first mistake is that people have been assuming he's going to come here. The next mistake is assuming he's still going to be a highly productive player.

[ulf]

it's not really what shero thinks he is worth, but he doesn't have much more than that to spend. I don't believe it's a lowball offer, just kind of a "this is all we can do" kinda thing.

[Lesky]

Jagr "wants" to play for the Penguins. It's smart to find out exactly how much money "want" translates to. I have no problem with a low offer, which gives room to adjust if the Pens really want to.

That is how smart negotiating works.

Correct, but when Jagr and Svoboda tries to negotiate the smart way they are idiots and full of BS

[malksby8771]

Dejan_Kovacevic Dejan Kovacevic
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@JoshYohe_Trib My #JagrWatch odds: #Pens 50%, #Habs 20%, KHL 15%, #RedWings 12%, lost at sea 3%. // Taken hostage by turtles, 1%

[darkstar57]

Ken: Discussions ongoing. Jaromir is "somewhere in the US". Sounds like he has no clue to what's going to happen, just like we here.

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[the errey i breathe]

Dejan_Kovacevic Dejan Kovacevic
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@JoshYohe_Trib My #JagrWatch odds: #Pens 50%, #Habs 20%, KHL 15%, #RedWings 12%, lost at sea 3%. // Taken hostage by turtles, 1%

I think he's underestimating the turtles

[BeerAndPeanutsHere]

I wouldn't care if they spent up to $3 million on Jagr for a year. Look at what we've spent on other old veterans in the past who were nowhere near the skills of Jagr. Didn't we pay 3.5 million for Miroslav Satan? Somewhere in the 2.5 million range for Petr Sykora? Billy G for ONE MORE YEAR. I really hope Mario wouldn't let Shero lowball Jagr at 1.3-1.5 million. I hope that's not true.

[canaan]

YAH MEER JAHGRRRRR

[Henry Hank]

it's not really what shero thinks he is worth, but he doesn't have much more than that to spend. I don't believe it's a lowball offer, just kind of a "this is all we can do" kinda thing.

And that's exactly what Shero has said. And this comes after Jagr and his people said it's not about the money. If he really wants to be in Pittsburgh like he says and isn't coming back for the money, then he will take the offer. Hell, Jagr once said he'd play for $350,000 because he owed it to Mario. How can he be insulted by the Pens' offer if everything that comes out of his mouth suggests that they don't need to give him a big offer?

[pfim]

I wouldn't care if they spent up to $3 million on Jagr for a year. Look at what we've spent on other old veterans in the past who were nowhere near the skills of Jagr. Didn't we pay 3.5 million for Miroslav Satan? Somewhere in the 2.5 million range for Petr Sykora? Billy G for ONE MORE YEAR. I really hope Mario wouldn't let Shero lowball Jagr at 1.3-1.5 million. I hope that's not true.

So the Pens are supposed to offer Jagr more because they made a bunch of mistakes in the past? That doesn't make a ton of sense.

[Doogs]

Dejan_Kovacevic Dejan Kovacevic
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@JoshYohe_Trib My #JagrWatch odds: #Pens 50%, #Habs 20%, KHL 15%, #RedWings 12%, lost at sea 3%. // Taken hostage by turtles, 1%

Now they are posting odds (irony)? And they got those odds from a grumpy Sbvoda jujst before saying "It's 5 pm...show some respect!!!"

[Daniel87]

I wouldn't care if they spent up to $3 million on Jagr for a year. Look at what we've spent on other old veterans in the past who were nowhere near the skills of Jagr. Didn't we pay 3.5 million for Miroslav Satan? Somewhere in the 2.5 million range for Petr Sykora? Billy G for ONE MORE YEAR. I really hope Mario wouldn't let Shero lowball Jagr at 1.3-1.5 million. I hope that's not true.

Well there is a salary cap in place. I still think Shero could offer at least 2 though.

[darkstar57]

I wouldn't care if they spent up to $3 million on Jagr for a year. Look at what we've spent on other old veterans in the past who were nowhere near the skills of Jagr. Didn't we pay 3.5 million for Miroslav Satan? Somewhere in the 2.5 million range for Petr Sykora? Billy G for ONE MORE YEAR. I really hope Mario wouldn't let Shero lowball Jagr at 1.3-1.5 million. I hope that's not true.

Different situations, the Pens had no real Top 6 wingers there outside of Kunitz, now we have both Kunitz and Neal, and the line of Kunitz - Crosby and Dupius was one of the best in the leagues until the day that shall not be named happened.

Also, if the Pens sign kennedy and want to fill out the rest of their team, there isn't much money.

Use your brains people

[malksby8771]

I agree with everything you said, but 2M is already a paycut IMO. I think other teams in the NHL could and would offer more if he hadn't expressed such openness to join the Pens. I kinda think for 2M, a guy who will no doubt score 60 points or more with us and retire as a Penguin thereby cementing his legacy here, is a more than fair offer.

Why would he no doubt score 60 points? I think a reasonable expectation for 82 games is ~50 points, and that's if he can actually hold up for an entire NHL season at his age. The Pens have plenty of experience with over the hill players. They know not to expect too much. The first mistake is that people have been assuming he's going to come here. The next mistake is assuming he's still going to be a highly productive player.

Well, he would probably fit well on the right circle on the PP where he is one of the best of all time in that spot (he also plays the left circle quite well). Add Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Tangradi to the PP and you have 25-30 PPP right there for Jagr if he stays healthy. I think he will also easily get 35+ even strength points playing with a rejuvenated Malkin and Neal.

[ExPatriatePen]

When HE takes the ice, there's none left for anyone else, HE is... The most interesting winger in the world

[BeerAndPeanutsHere]

I agree with everything you said, but 2M is already a paycut IMO. I think other teams in the NHL could and would offer more if he hadn't expressed such openness to join the Pens. I kinda think for 2M, a guy who will no doubt score 60 points or more with us and retire as a Penguin thereby cementing his legacy here, is a more than fair offer.

Why would he no doubt score 60 points? I think a reasonable expectation for 82 games is ~50 points, and that's if he can actually hold up for an entire NHL season at his age. The Pens have plenty of experience with over the hill players. They know not to expect too much. The first mistake is that people have been assuming he's going to come here. The next mistake is assuming he's still going to be a highly productive player.

I would say no doubt 60 points, assuming he is healthy and plays around 75 games. Why do I say no doubt? 1) He is Jaromir Jagr. Even at 39 years old he has more talent than most guys in the league. 2) He will be playing with either Sidney Crosby or Evgeni Malkin, two of the best players in the world. A monkey on skates would put up 50 in a full season with one of them. 3) He will be on the #1 power play unit and rack up lots of points that way. Maybe everyone else is more pessimistic about it, but I have a feeling he could put up 80 points in a full season with the Pens this year.

[littlemoonboot]

So we always complain about how full of hot air Pierre is, but now we suddenly are supposed to believe him?

[Doogs]

I wouldn't care if they spent up to $3 million on Jagr for a year. Look at what we've spent on other old veterans in the past who were nowhere near the skills of Jagr. Didn't we pay 3.5 million for Miroslav Satan? Somewhere in the 2.5 million range for Petr Sykora? Billy G for ONE MORE YEAR. I really hope Mario wouldn't let Shero lowball Jagr at 1.3-1.5 million. I hope that's not true.

Different situations, the Pens had no real Top 6 wingers there outside of Kunitz, now we have both Kunitz and Neal, and the line of Kunitz - Crosby and Dupius was one of the best in the leagues until the day that shall not be named happened.

Also, if the Pens sign kennedy and want to fill out the rest of their team, there isn't much money.

Use your brains people

I really hope they wouldn't go higher that 2.5 mil.

[marek]

1.3-1.5 million is an insult, especially when you look around and see how much money 3rd/4th line goons, below average players make. A healthy Jagr puts up 60 pts minimum. You can't get that kind of production for less than 2 million. And that's not even factoring in the idea of returning to his old team and retiring as Penguin on good terms.

It's a sign that Jagr has to come here on Shero's terms. He has to be willing to settle for less money so the Pens can sign their own players that they want to keep. They're not going to lose other guys who have been here to bring in a diva. Jagr and his agent are the ones that said it's not about the money. If they go somewhere else for an extra million or so, that's their greed and their meaningless words at work, not Shero's problem. The Pens don't need Jagr.

HH... I understand that JJ needs to work with Shero... and he did say that he'd play for "the min" - which he probably meant more as a compliment/respect to Lemieux rather than truth...

but it could be just as easily said that RS low-balling him is simply taking advantage of his having played here before, testing loyalties or in general his word.

[BeerAndPeanutsHere]

I wouldn't care if they spent up to $3 million on Jagr for a year. Look at what we've spent on other old veterans in the past who were nowhere near the skills of Jagr. Didn't we pay 3.5 million for Miroslav Satan? Somewhere in the 2.5 million range for Petr Sykora? Billy G for ONE MORE YEAR. I really hope Mario wouldn't let Shero lowball Jagr at 1.3-1.5 million. I hope that's not true.

So the Pens are supposed to offer Jagr more because they made a bunch of mistakes in the past? That doesn't make a ton of sense.

I wouldn't call them mistakes per se. All 3 of them were on the Stanley Cup winning team, and they all contributed at various points in the season and postseason.

But my point is that if he was willing to take a risk of 2-3.5 million on old guys who weren't even superstars in their prime and had no ties to Pittsburgh....how can he justify not taking the same risk on a guy who was a superstar in his prime and is the 2nd best player in franchise history? I think it's a valid argument.

[winger]

Holland...
I felt that his tone of voice indicated it was not happening for the Red Wings. Unless he is a good actor, he sounded very disinterested in the conversation. I felt that was a sure sign that he knows its the Pens. He got all jazzed and animated when he discussed Lidstrom (just as a comparison..lol..

[tonysoprano]

Holland...
I felt that his tone of voice indicated it was not happening for the Red Wings. Unless he is a good actor, he sounded very disinterested in the conversation. I felt that was a sure sign that he knows its the Pens. He got all jazzed and animated when he discussed Lidstrom (just as a comparison..lol..

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOL

[malksby8771]

I agree with everything you said, but 2M is already a paycut IMO. I think other teams in the NHL could and would offer more if he hadn't expressed such openness to join the Pens. I kinda think for 2M, a guy who will no doubt score 60 points or more with us and retire as a Penguin thereby cementing his legacy here, is a more than fair offer.

Why would he no doubt score 60 points? I think a reasonable expectation for 82 games is ~50 points, and that's if he can actually hold up for an entire NHL season at his age. The Pens have plenty of experience with over the hill players. They know not to expect too much. The first mistake is that people have been assuming he's going to come here. The next mistake is assuming he's still going to be a highly productive player.

I would say no doubt 60 points, assuming he is healthy and plays around 75 games. Why do I say no doubt? 1) He is Jaromir Jagr. Even at 39 years old he has more talent than most guys in the league. 2) He will be playing with either Sidney Crosby or Evgeni Malkin, two of the best players in the world. A monkey on skates would put up 50 in a full season with one of them. 3) He will be on the #1 power play unit and rack up lots of points that way. Maybe everyone else is more pessimistic about it, but I have a feeling he could put up 80 points in a full season with the Pens this year.

One for agreeing with me, and one for doing it while talking about monkeys.

[the errey i breathe]

I wouldn't care if they spent up to $3 million on Jagr for a year. Look at what we've spent on other old veterans in the past who were nowhere near the skills of Jagr. Didn't we pay 3.5 million for Miroslav Satan? Somewhere in the 2.5 million range for Petr Sykora? Billy G for ONE MORE YEAR. I really hope Mario wouldn't let Shero lowball Jagr at 1.3-1.5 million. I hope that's not true.

So the Pens are supposed to offer Jagr more because they made a bunch of mistakes in the past? That doesn't make a ton of sense.

I wouldn't call them mistakes per se. All 3 of them were on the Stanley Cup winning team, and they all contributed at various points in the season and postseason.

But my point is that if he was willing to take a risk of 2-3.5 million on old guys who weren't even superstars in their prime and had no ties to Pittsburgh....how can he justify not taking the same risk on a guy who was a superstar in his prime and is the 2nd best player in franchise history? I think it's a valid argument.

because if Jagr flops then you have learned nothing from those prior mistakes and really handcuff your team come trading deadline day where that extra 1MM or so could help.