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Is this better? I'm not a journalist, I don't care about bias.Bob McKenzie wrote:
Liberal Intelligence?
What's the point of the facepalm? Continued biased posting?
The human eye? Why do you need a creator to make the eye? Why is that special?DelPen wrote:Can someone explain the eye and how it would have come to be through evolution?
doublem wrote:
I don't care about bias.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/libra ... 11_01.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;DelPen wrote:Can someone explain the eye and how it would have come to be through evolution?
There is absolutely nothing for all the systems in the eye to have evolved from to create what is an eye and even if there was there would have to be hundreds of slight variations that all manifest at the same time and stay viable to survive. If you wear glasses, how hard is it to function without them? Could who perpetuate a species walking into walls all the time? The human eye simply evolving from whatever you want to start with would be like nature making a car out of the blue.doublem wrote:The human eye? Why do you need a creator to make the eye? Why is that special?DelPen wrote:Can someone explain the eye and how it would have come to be through evolution?
Seriously?Guinness wrote:When has anyone been afraid of offending the Christian Right?
Actually, yes. When was the last time anyone had to apologize for badmouthing Christians? 1950?HomerPenguin wrote:Seriously?Guinness wrote:When has anyone been afraid of offending the Christian Right?
When was the last time a mainstream American politician "badmouthed" "Christians"? Jefferson?DelPen wrote:Actually, yes. When was the last time anyone had to apologize for badmouthing Christians? 1950?HomerPenguin wrote:Seriously?Guinness wrote:When has anyone been afraid of offending the Christian Right?
Yeah, monkeys didn't just turn into human beings overnight either. Maybe you ought to read the links HomerPenguin posted.DelPen wrote:There is absolutely nothing for all the systems in the eye to have evolved from to create what is an eye and even if there was there would have to be hundreds of slight variations that all manifest at the same time and stay viable to survive. If you wear glasses, how hard is it to function without them? Could who perpetuate a species walking into walls all the time? The human eye simply evolving from whatever you want to start with would be like nature making a car out of the blue.doublem wrote:The human eye? Why do you need a creator to make the eye? Why is that special?DelPen wrote:Can someone explain the eye and how it would have come to be through evolution?
DelPen wrote:There is absolutely nothing for all the systems in the eye to have evolved from to create what is an eye and even if there was there would have to be hundreds of slight variations that all manifest at the same time and stay viable to survive. If you wear glasses, how hard is it to function without them? Could who perpetuate a species walking into walls all the time? The human eye simply evolving from whatever you want to start with would be like nature making a car out of the blue.doublem wrote:The human eye? Why do you need a creator to make the eye? Why is that special?DelPen wrote:Can someone explain the eye and how it would have come to be through evolution?
doublem wrote:http://www.newscred.com/article/show/ti ... f8/2022088
Wow, what a bunch of cowards. How do you let a bunch of crazies take over this country?
Man, this just keeps getting better....
Yes, I don't get where DelPen's argument is coming from or going. It seems the eye would be the epitome of evolutionary benefit. If you can see, you have better chance to survive so naturally as it evolved, it was kept in the gene pool.HomerPenguin wrote:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/libra ... 11_01.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;DelPen wrote:Can someone explain the eye and how it would have come to be through evolution?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/200508 ... _sys.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.2think.org/eye.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Not only is the human eye not a terribly difficult explanation, it's also inefficient enough to argue that, if it was formed by a "designer," that "designer's" status as "intelligent" has to be questioned.
PensFanInDC wrote:
Im assuming you meant the evolution thing.
I believe that species evolve. For crying out loud there are aquatic iguanas found only on the gallapagos (sp?) I just dont believe humans came from monkeys. We may have evolved WITHIN our species, just not FROM monkeys and not to the extreme some believe.
We probably have less hair and walk taller then humans 10,000 years ago. That doesn't mean it wasn't all part of the plan. People are taller now than we were even 200 years ago. Species adapt. It does NOT mean we evolved from monkeys.
This is a common misconception.PensFanInDC wrote:
Im assuming you meant the evolution thing.
I believe that species evolve. For crying out loud there are aquatic iguanas found only on the gallapagos (sp?) I just dont believe humans came from monkeys. We may have evolved WITHIN our species, just not FROM monkeys and not to the extreme some believe.
We probably have less hair and walk taller then humans 10,000 years ago. That doesn't mean it wasn't all part of the plan. People are taller now than we were even 200 years ago. Species adapt. It does NOT mean we evolved from monkeys.
Finally, something we agree on!!!!doublem wrote:I just don't see why if you believe in evolution you can't believe in god. I never got that.
Yes, Welch had done that in "The Politician", calling President Eisenhower had been a secret agent of the Communists.Dean Wormer wrote:Didn't Welch call Eisenhower a "communist stooge"?
Welch definitely had some good ideas. I just can't wait until the third Red Scare happens and I can start blacklisting people.ExPatriatePen wrote:Yes, Welch had done that in "The Politician", calling President Eisenhower had been a secret agent of the Communists.Dean Wormer wrote:Didn't Welch call Eisenhower a "communist stooge"?
He also had inane ideas that the state of Alaska was being prepared to house anyone who doubted his doctrine that fluoridated water was a Communist-backed plot to weaken the minds of the American public.
Welch could be a bonafide looney at times, as many geniuses often are, but that doesn't mean that he didn't also have a lot of very valid points.
No less than Barry Goldwater wrote a letter for the National review which supported many of Welch's views and his support for the John Birch Society by saying
"...the problem which Mr. Welch’s continued leadership of the John Birch Society poses for sincere conservatives. . . . Mr. Welch is only one man, and I do not believe (some of) his views, far removed from reality and common sense as they are, represent the feelings of most members of the John Birch Society. . . . Because of this, I believe the best thing Mr. Welch could do to serve the cause of anti-Communism (anti-Americanism) in the United States would be to resign. . . . We cannot allow the emblem of irresponsibility to attach to the conservative banner."
Wouldn't it be the "Green Scare"?Dean Wormer wrote:Welch definitely had some good ideas. I just can't wait until the third Red Scare happens and I can start blacklisting people.