The god given right to protect yourself from others who wish to do harm.Jim wrote:What liberty are you giving up by going through a metal detector to go to a sporting event?Fat Old Frank wrote:You can say that again.BurghThing wrote:"Those who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."
- B. Franklin
So, what you are saying, is that you want to carry a firearm and/or knives with you to your seats at the hockey game, right?ffemtreed wrote:The god given right to protect yourself from others who wish to do harm.Jim wrote:What liberty are you giving up by going through a metal detector to go to a sporting event?Fat Old Frank wrote:You can say that again.BurghThing wrote:"Those who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."
- B. Franklin
Maybe we should all be implanted with chips that the govt can scan and track you, I mean really what liberty are you giving up?
Are you forgetting the shootout that happened in our very own city during a sporting event? I believe it was in 1995.Realist wrote:I know many legal CCW who carry at sporting events where no policy is in effect. Again, Im still waiting for the last time a shooting occured at one.....ever.penny lane wrote:Realist, have you been sleeping since September 11, 2001? The concept of all freedom changed.
Someone last year took a gun to a game, Fla? Maybe Colorado?
Yeah... so then why would someone need a firearm to protect themselves if there are no occurrences in which protection would be needed?Realist wrote:I know many legal CCW who carry at sporting events where no policy is in effect. Again, Im still waiting for the last time a shooting occured at one.....ever.penny lane wrote:Realist, have you been sleeping since September 11, 2001? The concept of all freedom changed.
Someone last year took a gun to a game, Fla? Maybe Colorado?
depends if the chip sets off the medal detector??? Then we would be in a world of crap.Maybe we should all be implanted with chips that the govt can scan and track you
I have never had my house robbed either, but I still lock the doors when I leave home....Jim wrote: Yeah... so then why would someone need a firearm to protect themselves if there are no occurrences in which protection would be needed? .
I don't see why. Wouldn't it be better if you came home and got to shoot someone?Realist wrote:I have never had my house robbed either, but I still lock the doors when I leave home....Jim wrote: Yeah... so then why would someone need a firearm to protect themselves if there are no occurrences in which protection would be needed? .
I believe, per the 2nd amendment of the Constitution, that I and others have the right to bear arms to protect myself. If someone has private property and does not want patrons to carry guns/knives/pepper spray, etc....fine.Jim wrote: So, what you are saying, is that you want to carry a firearm and/or knives with you to your seats at the hockey game, right?
ffemtreed wrote:The god given right to protect yourself from others who wish to do harm.Jim wrote:What liberty are you giving up by going through a metal detector to go to a sporting event?Fat Old Frank wrote:You can say that again.BurghThing wrote:"Those who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."
- B. Franklin
Maybe we should all be implanted with chips that the govt can scan and track you, I mean really what liberty are you giving up?
Who are you? BOOM Castle Law!The Snapshot wrote:I don't see why. Wouldn't it be better if you came home and got to shoot someone?Realist wrote:I have never had my house robbed either, but I still lock the doors when I leave home....Jim wrote: Yeah... so then why would someone need a firearm to protect themselves if there are no occurrences in which protection would be needed? .
Lets not get into a debate about what the second amendment actually means. That will take a long time, and your interpretation will lose. Just so you know, I have a carry permit and more than an average number of shooters, and carry blades. I have had a gun pulled on me twice and a knife once (and I have never handed over any possessions). Just saying so that you know my situation.Realist wrote:I believe, per the 2nd amendment of the Constitution, that I and others have the right to bear arms to protect myself. If someone has private property and does not want patrons to carry guns/knives/pepper spray, etc....fine.Jim wrote: So, what you are saying, is that you want to carry a firearm and/or knives with you to your seats at the hockey game, right?
Tax dollars built the courthouse too. Schools are built with public funding. The zoo...Realist wrote:But, when my OWN TAX DOLLARS are paying for their said stadium....it isn't right. First we had wands, now metal detectors....next it will be body cavity searches....
No, it really isn't. At all.Realist wrote:CEC is in the middle of the Hill District....
No, it really isn't. At all. Going to your car after the game is probably one of the "safest" situations you would be in that day (and I don't even know what you do before the average game, but the comment stands).Realist wrote:being unarmed in that area of town (particularly on your way to your own car in an unsecured parking lot..let alone into the arena) is b.s.
One red line, two blue... and two goal lines.Skatingpen wrote:There is a line for sure, but metal detectors are not it.
Jim wrote:Lets not get into a debate about what the second amendment actually means. That will take a long time, and your interpretation will lose. Just so you know, I have a carry permit and more than an average number of shooters, and carry blades. I have had a gun pulled on me twice and a knife once (and I have never handed over any possessions). Just saying so that you know my situation.Realist wrote:I believe, per the 2nd amendment of the Constitution, that I and others have the right to bear arms to protect myself. If someone has private property and does not want patrons to carry guns/knives/pepper spray, etc....fine.Jim wrote: So, what you are saying, is that you want to carry a firearm and/or knives with you to your seats at the hockey game, right?
Tax dollars built the courthouse too. Schools are built with public funding. The zoo...Realist wrote:But, when my OWN TAX DOLLARS are paying for their said stadium....it isn't right. First we had wands, now metal detectors....next it will be body cavity searches....
No, it really isn't. At all.Realist wrote:CEC is in the middle of the Hill District....
No, it really isn't. At all. Going to your car after the game is probably one of the "safest" situations you would be in that day (and I don't even know what you do before the average game, but the comment stands).Realist wrote:being unarmed in that area of town (particularly on your way to your own car in an unsecured parking lot..let alone into the arena) is b.s.
There are people out there that really REALLY liked Orpik!Skatingpen wrote:What the heck do you do to get a gun pulled on you not once but twice? That is scary stuff.
Ummm...no it isn't...maybe your reading the statutes that are differerent than precident in the U.S. I have had training in exactly what this is by the way....here endith the lesson. The fact that you carry a gun and don't know....scares me actually. But, I respect your 2nd amendment rights.Jim wrote: Lets not get into a debate about what the second amendment actually means. That will take a long time, and your interpretation will lose.
So, your stating that one of the "safest situations" I could be in is return to my car, unarmed, at 11 pm at night in the Hill District after a Pens game? Compared to returning to my car at say....South Hills Village? Wow...Jim wrote: No, it really isn't. At all. Going to your car after the game is probably one of the "safest" situations you would be in that day
Follow the bouncing ball....a PRIVATE company that we paid taxes to build their facility.Jim wrote: Tax dollars built the courthouse too. Schools are built with public funding. The zoo...
I am glad that the lesson endith, because it would have been about as factual, and correct, as teaching creation instead of evolution in school. ie: incorrect. I also respect your 2nd amendment rights, even though you are somewhat confused as to what they actually are.Realist wrote:Ummm...no it isn't...maybe your reading the statutes that are differerent than precident in the U.S. I have had training in exactly what this is by the way....here endith the lesson. The fact that you carry a gun and don't know....scares me actually. But, I respect your 2nd amendment rights.Jim wrote: Lets not get into a debate about what the second amendment actually means. That will take a long time, and your interpretation will lose.
Yes, I am... The fact that you carry a gun and don't know....scares me actually. (not really, but it fits)Realist wrote:So, your stating that one of the "safest situations" I could be in is return to my car, unarmed, at 11 pm at night in the Hill District after a Pens game? Compared to returning to my car at say....South Hills Village? Wow...Jim wrote: No, it really isn't. At all. Going to your car after the game is probably one of the "safest" situations you would be in that day
I do not need to be reminded of what happens in the Hill.Realist wrote:Jim, just in case you need a refresher course on what happens in the Hill District...you must not know, so I'll provide this link to help you out...just keep scrolling down: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/tag/hill-district/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Eh... it's a stretch as a reason to have different rules, but I will give you that one.Realist wrote:Follow the bouncing ball....a PRIVATE company that we paid taxes to build their facility.Jim wrote: Tax dollars built the courthouse too. Schools are built with public funding. The zoo...
Let me be clear, I really don't care one way or another other than to say that yes, People will start being ''branded'' or implanted with microchips. Look at children who are abducted and never found (for example). They have these sorts of things implanted in dogs, humans aren't gonna be far behind. Like it or not, it's inevitable. Maybe five years or ten years down the road but it's coming. Learn to accept it or live in the woods with DA Bears.ffemtreed wrote:The god given right to protect yourself from others who wish to do harm.Jim wrote:What liberty are you giving up by going through a metal detector to go to a sporting event?Fat Old Frank wrote:You can say that again.BurghThing wrote:"Those who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."
- B. Franklin
Maybe we should all be implanted with chips that the govt can scan and track you, I mean really what liberty are you giving up?
Yeah, additional paranoia is exactly what is needed HA!dark_forces wrote:All right guys. Settle down and rip a bong load.
Technically already happening: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31042477" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;King Kessel wrote:Let me be clear, I really don't care one way or another other than to say that yes, People will start being ''branded'' or implanted with microchips. Look at children who are abducted and never found (for example). They have these sorts of things implanted in dogs, humans aren't gonna be far behind. Like it or not, it's inevitable. Maybe five years or ten years down the road but it's coming. Learn to accept it or live in the woods with DA Bears.ffemtreed wrote:The god given right to protect yourself from others who wish to do harm.Jim wrote:What liberty are you giving up by going through a metal detector to go to a sporting event?Fat Old Frank wrote:You can say that again.BurghThing wrote:"Those who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."
- B. Franklin
Maybe we should all be implanted with chips that the govt can scan and track you, I mean really what liberty are you giving up?