yinzer69 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:03 am
I have faith in Dubas and this front office until they give me a reason not to. I think there is at least a plan which we all know there wasn't a plan with Hextall and I'd argue the last few years of JR was plan-less. JR was just throwing crap against the wall and hoping it would stick to keep them in cup contention.
Some of last off season's moves have not worked out. At the time most everyone thought Smith and Graves were good additions. Its not Dubas fault that they have struggled.
Why not? He made the moves. He's responsible for making sure players are a good fit for Boston Mike's inflexible system of player ruination.
The hate and blame on Mike Sullivan on this board is something...I have come around to thinking it is time for a change but some people blame EVERYTHING on Sullivan. I am sure Sullivan is telling the PP not to shoot enough or to give up 9 SHG. There is enough blame to go around for the problems of this team...Sullivan has blame. My god some of the comments on here are insufferable.
I think it's fair to say that the baseline state of Penguins fandom after 20 years of relative success is spoiled, whiny, unappreciative and miserable...often in preemptive fashion, complaining about things that might happen (but haven't or won't) because it's far easier to helplessly complain than to actually come to terms with things. I think a lot of fans have no idea how to handle a lack of success, which tells you there's been an awful lot of success. So, all of this is basically temper tantrums playing out in post form.
Paraphrasing Clemenza in The Godfather, the fall of this team is going to be pretty goddam bad. Probably all the other teams will line up against us. That's all right. These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood.
I'm sure there aren't many on here that use to wait in line at the igloo for $20 student rush tickets to sit on the glass to watch Steve McKenna, Krzysztof Oliwa, and JS Aubin. All they know is good hockey and success
*raises hand*
Yes sir! And I loved every game I went to!
Side note - does anyone actually remember that Steve McKenna was a CAPTAIN on this team???
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Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
Pending trading call, Evgeni Kuznetsov is being traded to the Carolina Hurricanes for a 2025 third-round pick.
Washington is retaining 50 percent on Kuznetsov (one more year next season at a $7.8 M AAV)
lemieuxReturns wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:40 am
Hopefully EK goes into the office this morning and says "This is not what I signed up for" and we trade him away for more rebuilding pieces.
KG wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:01 am
Kingerski saying Eller is drawing interest from contending teams.
Move him. Pick/prospect = cap space. Do the same for Acciari and Ned or Jarry. Or both.
Hopefully we see several moves today and bringing in some picks prospects etc
Carter is the guy I'd like to move. Retain 50 percent and get a pick.
I forget about him. Wonder if Carter even has any interest.
LA for playoff depth would be the only team I could see him agreeing to go to. It looks like they have the cap space and I would be fine if we get nothing but the roster spot and cap relief for Poulin to play instead and he’s washed through another team that gets a 6th rounder.
lemieuxReturns wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:40 am
Hopefully EK goes into the office this morning and says "This is not what I signed up for" and we trade him away for more rebuilding pieces.
and I wouldn’t blame him one bit.
He already sounded checked out after he was taken off the top PP like it was his fault. It was clear from Game 1 Sullivan didn’t know how to use a player like Karlsson and the evidence was already there because he didn’t know how to use Letang or Schultz to their most effective.
Should had fired Sullivan in December and then see who really needed moved. Now the only change is losing our best winger and 2nd best player.
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Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
Pending trading call, Evgeni Kuznetsov is being traded to the Carolina Hurricanes for a 2025 third-round pick.
Washington is retaining 50 percent on Kuznetsov (one more year next season at a $7.8 M AAV
pronovost19 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:43 am
Rust to Detroit rumors ramping up. Supposedly the ask is prospects not picks.
Didn't Dubas already say he wasn't going to ask Rust to waive his no-trade clause?
I think that was from the same 'insiders' that broke the Jake news all day yesterday with 'from what I am hearing' and 'that was not the deal I had heard'.
lemieuxReturns wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:40 am
Hopefully EK goes into the office this morning and says "This is not what I signed up for" and we trade him away for more rebuilding pieces.
and I wouldn’t blame him one bit.
He already sounded checked out after he was taken off the top PP like it was his fault. It was clear from Game 1 Sullivan didn’t know how to use a player like Karlsson and the evidence was already there because he didn’t know how to use Letang or Schultz to their most effective.
Should had fired Sullivan in December and then see who really needed moved. Now the only change is losing our best winger and 2nd best player.
This! Stanley Cup years aside, I had some of my highest expectations at the beginning of this particular season only to devolve into one of the biggest disappointments.
lemieuxReturns wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:51 am
I wonder what EK at 50% retained would net us? Maybe that would be the move to bring in the BIG prospects.
I can’t imagine that Sullivan would make more than 50% of Karlsson would and Sullivan would be hired ASAP unless he wants to take off and focus on Team USA for the next two years but that’s doubtful.
I want to see what Karlsson does under a new coach before I panic trade him.
lemieuxReturns wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:51 am
I wonder what EK at 50% retained would net us? Maybe that would be the move to bring in the BIG prospects.
I can’t imagine that Sullivan would make more than 50% of Karlsson would and Sullivan would be hired ASAP unless he wants to take off and focus on Team USA for the next two years but that’s doubtful.
I want to see what Karlsson does under a new coach before I panic trade him.
I don't understand what you are saying about Sullivan.
Keeping a guy like EK is pointless if you are rebuilding. If the organization is in denial about rebuilding at this point, we are in some real trouble.
KG wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:01 am
Kingerski saying Eller is drawing interest from contending teams.
Move him. Pick/prospect = cap space. Do the same for Acciari and Ned or Jarry. Or both.
Hopefully we see several moves today and bringing in some picks prospects etc
Carter is the guy I'd like to move. Retain 50 percent and get a pick.
I forget about him. Wonder if Carter even has any interest.
It doesn't matter. Would rather not waste another retention on him. He's got 20 games left and he's gone anyways. Just let him sail into the sun at this point.
lemieuxReturns wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:51 am
I wonder what EK at 50% retained would net us? Maybe that would be the move to bring in the BIG prospects.
I can’t imagine that Sullivan would make more than 50% of Karlsson would and Sullivan would be hired ASAP unless he wants to take off and focus on Team USA for the next two years but that’s doubtful.
I want to see what Karlsson does under a new coach before I panic trade him.
I don't understand what you are saying about Sullivan.
Keeping a guy like EK is pointless if you are rebuilding. If the organization is in denial about rebuilding at this point, we are in some real trouble.
You can’t eat $5 million a year for 3 more years after this. That’s **** stupid rebuilding or not.
KG wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:01 am
Kingerski saying Eller is drawing interest from contending teams.
Move him. Pick/prospect = cap space. Do the same for Acciari and Ned or Jarry. Or both.
Hopefully we see several moves today and bringing in some picks prospects etc
Carter is the guy I'd like to move. Retain 50 percent and get a pick.
I forget about him. Wonder if Carter even has any interest.
It doesn't matter. Would rather not waste another retention on him. He's got 20 games left and he's gone anyways. Just let him sail into the sun at this point.
