Jerry Sandusky and Related Trials

[tifosi77]

In the past I've said that I believe at least some of the outrage comes from place of feeling duped. I truly believed PSU operated to a higher standard than this. I can't speak for anyone else on this point, but for me it's very much a case of not wanting to believe that I got suckered by people who protected a child rapist.

[Sam's Drunk Dog]

Shyster, have you actually looked beyond the Freeh report and Grand jury report though? When you do, you realize that both greatly exaggerate what the actual facts are, and the story is a lot more gray about what really happened. You have no connection to the university so of course you only see Paterno as a millionaire football coach, but based on his record of ethical conduct, it puts this supposed action of protecting the football team at the benefit of a pedophile totally at odds with everything he did previously. So of course people are going to stand up and fight when they see a perceived injustice.

[Sam's Drunk Dog]

Penn State President Eric Barron commits to review of the Freeh Report

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... e28ce72063" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[columbia]

Has anyone seen that "Happy Valley" film? I guess it screened in SC last night.

Funny Joe Paterno story:

As I mentioned in another thread, my boss went to graduate school at PSU. At some point during his time there, he was in the rare book room to look over some the artist books and there was also an older gentleman looking around. They had a nice chat and talked about that particular part of the collection. The gentleman mentioned that he had donated a number of them and my boss was pretty impressed.

He doesn't follow sports in any way and later found out that old guy was Joe Paterno.

[Sam's Drunk Dog]

I felt like this might have gotten buried in the "political thread" so I am re-posting it here as well:

State officials and possibly Sandusky investigators sent child porn emails

http://6abc.com/politics/ag-emails-in-p ... ce/401826/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some of the pornographic emails that were exchanged among state government officials in a scandal that has claimed some of their jobs involved children and violent sexual acts against women, the state attorney general said Tuesday.

Kane, a Democrat, said a court order is preventing her from investigating them or explaining why. The court order stems from an investigation by a special prosecutor into whether Kane's office breached grand jury secrecy when it gave documents about a 2009 investigation to the Philadelphia Daily News.

What the article doesn't state is that Frank Fina, the lead prosecutor of the Sandusky case, has also been accused of being involved in the sending of the porn emails, but he was able to get a court order to prevent the OAG from releasing any of his emails and from openly using his name publicly.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-10-14/n ... -g-e-mails" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I find this ironic, since no evidence of child porn was ever found on Sandusky's electronics within his home.

[PghSkins]

Agree- something's off here. For all the terrible things he was convicted of doing- that's not something he was accused of.

[columbia]

Creepy...but relevant?

[count2infinity]

I remember when the whole thing went down there were articles released that said Sandusky had a ring of pedophiles that he would shop out these kids to like a pedo pimp. I don't think there was ever any evidence to support this, and it doesn't have a ton to do with this child porn thing, but it was something that popped into my head when I read the articles.

[columbia]

Madden was shopping that angle.

[PghSkins]

Madden alleged that it extended to several other Universities and corporations IIRC.

[Sam's Drunk Dog]

Legal Action Possible After Penn State Board of Trustees Restructuring

http://www.statecollege.com/mobile/news ... g,1461745/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Troy Loney]

I recall hearing that Second Mile had a reputation before this all broke. It had the nickname "second mile for the pedophile".

[Sam's Drunk Dog]

State Judge Rules Against NCAA, New Documents Show Growing Opposition to NCAA in Federal Court

http://www.statecollege.com/mobile/news ... t,1461754/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Congressman Dent asks NCAA to release all Penn State emails

http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/psu ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[relantel]

Judge Covey wasn't impressed by the NCAA. But it really is a small procedural win for Corman. NCAA can still claim privilege - but they have to be specific about it now.

[tifosi77]

I recall hearing that Second Mile had a reputation before this all broke. It had the nickname "second mile for the pedophile".

Yeah, wasn't the rumor that the whole point and purpose of the organization was to provide victims? For some reason I'm remembering that, as it fed into the whole monster image even further.

[Factorial]

Short film on an ex Math professor's actions at the Paterno statue before it was removed:

" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Shyster]

Shyster, have you actually looked beyond the Freeh report and Grand jury report though? When you do, you realize that both greatly exaggerate what the actual facts are, and the story is a lot more gray about what really happened. You have no connection to the university so of course you only see Paterno as a millionaire football coach, but based on his record of ethical conduct, it puts this supposed action of protecting the football team at the benefit of a pedophile totally at odds with everything he did previously. So of course people are going to stand up and fight when they see a perceived injustice.

The fact that his alleged actions would be "totally at odds" with prior behavior doesn't mean that he did not, in fact, take those actions. No one is a murderer, for example, until they commit their first murder. And why would look beyond the Freeh report and Grand jury report? I don't care. I am personally agnostic on whether Joe Paterno was involved in a cover.up. Maybe he did; maybe he didn't. I don't care. And I am disturbed that so many do. If you want to fight injustices, IMO there are far better ones out there than the reputation of a dead, millionaire college football coach.

The longer this stupid story drags on, the more I believe that Penn State could be the largest cult in the country.

[Pitt87]

Shyster, have you actually looked beyond the Freeh report and Grand jury report though? When you do, you realize that both greatly exaggerate what the actual facts are, and the story is a lot more gray about what really happened. You have no connection to the university so of course you only see Paterno as a millionaire football coach, but based on his record of ethical conduct, it puts this supposed action of protecting the football team at the benefit of a pedophile totally at odds with everything he did previously. So of course people are going to stand up and fight when they see a perceived injustice.

So your position is that Joe is an ethical person, so not going to the police to report the rape of a child in the Lash building reported by a GA was an ethical thing to do, and you think the injustice that people are right to fight for is the loss of a football record.

Not a Penn Stater, but married to one (and her PSU family), and spend a great deal of time in State College. I'll say the same thing here as I do to her and her family; the best way to honor Joe is to stand up for victims of sexual abuse. That's who you should be thinking about before you defend Joe Paterno.

[Sam's Drunk Dog]

Shyster, have you actually looked beyond the Freeh report and Grand jury report though? When you do, you realize that both greatly exaggerate what the actual facts are, and the story is a lot more gray about what really happened. You have no connection to the university so of course you only see Paterno as a millionaire football coach, but based on his record of ethical conduct, it puts this supposed action of protecting the football team at the benefit of a pedophile totally at odds with everything he did previously. So of course people are going to stand up and fight when they see a perceived injustice.

The fact that his alleged actions would be "totally at odds" with prior behavior doesn't mean that he did not, in fact, take those actions. No one is a murderer, for example, until they commit their first murder. And why would look beyond the Freeh report and Grand jury report? I don't care. I am personally agnostic on whether Joe Paterno was involved in a cover.up. Maybe he did; maybe he didn't. I don't care. And I am disturbed that so many do. If you want to fight injustices, IMO there are far better ones out there than the reputation of a dead, millionaire college football coach.

The longer this stupid story drags on, the more I believe that Penn State could be the largest cult in the country.

If you don't care so,much than why have you even posted in this thread?

[Sam's Drunk Dog]

Shyster, have you actually looked beyond the Freeh report and Grand jury report though? When you do, you realize that both greatly exaggerate what the actual facts are, and the story is a lot more gray about what really happened. You have no connection to the university so of course you only see Paterno as a millionaire football coach, but based on his record of ethical conduct, it puts this supposed action of protecting the football team at the benefit of a pedophile totally at odds with everything he did previously. So of course people are going to stand up and fight when they see a perceived injustice.

So your position is that Joe is an ethical person, so not going to the police to report the rape of a child in the Lash building reported by a GA was an ethical thing to do, and you think the injustice that people are right to fight for is the loss of a football record.

Not a Penn Stater, but married to one (and her PSU family), and spend a great deal of time in State College. I'll say the same thing here as I do to her and her family; the best way to honor Joe is to stand up for victims of sexual abuse. That's who you should be thinking about before you defend Joe Paterno.

If Joe was told he saw a rape, then he initially should have done more, but according to testimony by McQuery in the preliminary hearings of the Curley, Schultz, Spanier trial he never was that graphic when describing what he saw to Paterno.

The fight isn't about a football record, it's about the truth and putting the focus of the story on the failures of government agencies and experts not on untrained college administrators. The state needs to fix the agencies that are supposed to prevent from allowing a pedophile to run a child based charity and adopt and foster children.

[Shyster]

If you don't care so,much than why have you even posted in this thread?

Because I enjoy commenting upon what I view as loopy behavior. I find the reaction to the Sandusky scandal much more interesting than the Sandusky scandal itself.

[Sam's Drunk Dog]

Well since it seems that I can't sway your opinion, I'm fine with ignoring your opinions and comments in this thread going forward.

[DontToewsMeBro]

So you are judging the behavior of people who are reacting to information you have been purposefully ignorant to over the last 3 years? What's more likely--Penn State is a cult, or you are making incorrect assumptions about people who's motives you are unaware of?

[Shyster]

This is an internet message board. You are free to ignore any opinions and comments expressed herein. Except ones from Admin. Attention must be paid to those.

[count2infinity]

This is an internet message board. You are free to ignore any opinions and comments expressed herein. Except ones from Admin. Attention must be paid to those.

not always...