Jerry Sandusky and Related Trials

[count2infinity]

There's a plane flying over campus right now that has a sign that says, "Take down the statue or we will."

[IanMoran]

Class of 2013 right now, its early but Scout has PSU at #13, Rivals #15.

Tbh I think they should be ranked even higher. I generally judge recruits not by their stars but by the offers they receive from what schools, and some of the guys PSU are locking up are studs

Obviously depending upon what happens almost all of these guys might back out, but wtf.. how are they getting these verbal commitments while all of this is going on?

[The Snapshot]

This does not look good.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... penn-state" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am glad the NCAA President and I agree, but not on one key point. The University needs to sanction itself. Waiting for the NCAA to punish them is not enough. This should be a pre-trial, self-imposed punishment by the folks who make academic decisions at Penn State.

Football may limp along for many decades under the cloud that this whole mess has created, but it should not. The response needs to be historic, or my University is a joke. Even if the NCAA puts a bullet in them, it will not be the same in terms of the University's integrity.

Football needs to be rebuilt from the ground up there.

[steve784]

Class of 2013 right now, its early but Scout has PSU at #13, Rivals #15.

Tbh I think they should be ranked even higher. I generally judge recruits not by their stars but by the offers they receive from what schools, and some of the guys PSU are locking up are studs

Obviously depending upon what happens almost all of these guys might back out, but wtf.. how are they getting these verbal commitments while all of this is going on?

I would think it's probably a combination of O'Brien's NFL experience and probably selling some sort of 'you can start a new era' type talk from them.......or they're just paying them.

[The Snapshot]

Class of 2013 right now, its early but Scout has PSU at #13, Rivals #15.

Tbh I think they should be ranked even higher. I generally judge recruits not by their stars but by the offers they receive from what schools, and some of the guys PSU are locking up are studs

Obviously depending upon what happens almost all of these guys might back out, but wtf.. how are they getting these verbal commitments while all of this is going on?

It seems obvious that they are selling the idea of rebuilding a storied program and that the new coach is a great recruiter with a pro-vision. That just means he is the guy to re-start everything from scratch in 2013.

[mac5155]

The whole program appears to be corrupt, organizationally. From the former head coach, to janitors and graduate assistants who were more afraid of their jobs and careers, the culture there demanded strictly supporting the program and the coaching staff.

I know there is a new head coach in place but how many Paterno holdovers are there? Bradley left, right?

No paterno holdovers I dont think. McQueary was it, just because they couldnt legally fire him, and his contract ended july 1 or something like that.

[IanMoran]

O'brien kept D-Line coach Larry Johnson Sr. and LB coach Ron Vanderlinden

[Rylan]

Is Penn State even a school whose athletics end for profit every year?

[mac5155]

O'brien kept D-Line coach Larry Johnson Sr. and LB coach Ron Vanderlinden

That's right.

[IanMoran]

Is Penn State even a school whose athletics end for profit every year?

I believe they are but not sure. Either way the football program generally has a huge profit / picks up the losses from the other programs (like most major D1 schools)

[IanMoran]

http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/11/news/ec ... /index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And Penn State football's profit of $53.2 million was second only to the University of Texas' total of $71.2 million.

[mac5155]

Is Penn State even a school whose athletics end for profit every year?

From what I've heard the only teams profitable are football and mens basketball. They support all the other sports.

[Rylan]

Is Penn State even a school whose athletics end for profit every year?

I believe they are but not sure. Either way the football program generally has a HUGE profit / picks up the losses from the other programs (like most major D1 schools)

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That is a huge issue I have with major sanctions because you don't just punish the football culture. If they do end up still in the black every year, then I think any profit should go to a charity for abused children or something of the ilk.

[IanMoran]

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011 ... er-sports/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

According to this PSU had a profit of 43 mill from athletics last year

[Rylan]

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011 ... er-sports/

According to this PSU had a profit of 43 mill from athletics last year

Its really 26 million after hidden expenses. Coaches salaries, recruiting blah blah blah (its in the article.)

I think a self imposed fine of at least 85% of all profit should get donated to charities.

[IanMoran]

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011 ... er-sports/

According to this PSU had a profit of 43 mill from athletics last year

Its really 26 million after hidden expenses. Coaches salaries, recruiting blah blah blah (its in the article.)

I think a self imposed fine of at least 85% of all profit should get donated to charities.

Yea I just skimmed it

[count2infinity]

http://triblive.com/news/2195748-74/cor ... h-governor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The governor, often criticized for a three-year investigation, became agitated when a reporter asked whether the report made him reflect that he could have done things differently, including finishing the investigation more quickly.

“Why are you all obsessed with that? It’s been answered over and over and over again … 45 of 48 counts. We do not hold up investigations for anything. You are disparaging the reputation of men and women in that office who have worked very hard to get results and take a monster off the street,” he said.

wow...

[columbia]

Is that in keeping with his personality?
(I don't anything about Corbett.)

[tifosi77]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/14/sport ... gible.html

If they went after Cal Tech for this, what do yinz think that they'll do with Penn State?

I understand the Penn State case is MUCH more bad and ugly, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the NCAA is more likely to pursue certain punishments against them, since a lot of that is already being punished in the criminal court system.

One thing that might be mitigating the NCAA's response is that the SMU death penalty and the CalTech things were violations of NCAA rules which included no violations outside the NCAA's jurisdiction. There are, at least to my limited knowledge, no statutory restrictions against paying collegiate athletes; meaning, it isn't illegal. That means the only avenue for recourse were sanctions from the Athletic Association.

What was going on at Penn State was an entirely different type of offense, rife with criminality. Oddly, there are no specific NCAA rules that were broken here (unless you get into the area of "bringing the NCAA into disrepute"/morals violations/etc)..... and I posit that this is because the judicial system is the best instrument to mete out justice in matters such as this.

The death penalty is unwarranted because the nature of the offenses are - rightly - well outside the NCAA's purview, and also because as more and more is learned about the depths and breadth of the cover up it seems the University is proving rather adept at self-destructing and imposing an unwitting 'suicide penalty' on itself.

[tifosi77]

Is Penn State even a school whose athletics end for profit every year?

From what I've heard the only teams profitable are football and mens basketball. They support all the other sports.

That's pretty much the case at almost all universities, tho.

[columbia]

So if this isn't in the jurisdiction of the NCAA, then how could they do anything "minor" like affecting bowl appearances or scholarships?

It's either in their wheelhouse or it isn't.

[shafnutz05]

The NCAA will take some type of action because of public pressure, but they won't go full bore death penalty. It's not in their wheelhouse, but the magnitude of what happened dictates they take some kind of action.

[KennyTheKangaroo]

colin dunlap had an interesting take: penn state is a member of the NCAA. As a membership organization, you would think the organization can make a decision to reprimand (sp?) one of their members.

Thats like saying you can't kick someone out of the local elks club because they stole money at work or something.

[DontToewsMeBro]

Because it's not that simple.

If you want to see sickening, go read the comments on some of the ESPN articles -_-

[llipgh2]

http://triblive.com/news/2195748-74/cor ... h-governor

The governor, often criticized for a three-year investigation, became agitated when a reporter asked whether the report made him reflect that he could have done things differently, including finishing the investigation more quickly.

“Why are you all obsessed with that? It’s been answered over and over and over again … 45 of 48 counts. We do not hold up investigations for anything. You are disparaging the reputation of men and women in that office who have worked very hard to get results and take a monster off the street,” he said.

wow...

This is from last week. I saw the video of the interview on KDKA. Corbett was ticked. He was getting angrier and angrier as the interview went on.

It was a valid question, and his response was...interesting.