The 5 (or more) roster moves that destroyed this team

[FLPensFan]

While gearing up to watch another Penguin-less playoffs, I wanted to take a moment to look at a few moves this team made that really caused our demise.

1. Mikael Granlund instead of Nino Niederreiter. Both players were traded from Nashville for a 2nd round pick. WPG gave up a 2026 2nd to get Nino, while we gave up a 2023 2nd to get Granlund. I see no reason why we couldn't have landed Nino instead...accept some crappy AGM fell in love with an average, overpaid Granlund and the rest is history. Nino isn't a beast on skates, but he plays more like Bunting, and hits a little more.

2. Failing to trade for Jakob Chychrun. A 1st (conditional) and two 2nds (one of which was a long-shot condition to become a 1st). We already spent a 1st and one 2nd for Karlsson. Karlsson is more than twice as expensive as Chychrun. Trading for Chychrun would have stabilized the LD, and would have prevented the acquisition of Ryan Graves.

3. Expansion draft disaster. Jared McCann was almost certainly never going to become the player he is in Seattle while in Pittsburgh, but he was virtually given away. He still was a useful player and was trending towards his best season in 20-21 before injuries hit. The 4th line hasn't been the same since Tanev's energetic play was traded away.

4. Moving on from Matheson and Marino - I never understood why Matheson was traded. He had a career year with Pittsburgh, but was shown the door in favor of Jeff Petry. Matheson only continued to get better in Montreal, while Petry lasted a year. As for Marino, there were some rumblings about his family being too involved in contract negotiations, and he had plateaued a bit...but the trade ended up being an awful return that offered no help to the team.

5. The wrong centers. Similar to Granlund over Niederreiter, the Penguins should have targeted Sam Bennett over Jeff Carter. Bennett never lived up to his top 5 overall drafting, but showed flashes. He needed out of Calgary, and has shown with Florida what his blend of scoring skill and physical play can bring. Dylan Strome was a UFA center the Penguins could have easily signed...if they didn't give Kasperi Kapanen an absurd RFA raise. E-Rod pissed off Sullivan with his playoff penalty, and there were some rumors he rubbed teammates the wrong way. But, he's had success in both Colorado and Florida. His production hasn't dropped off, he plays all forward positions, PP, PK, anywhere in the lineup. Not someone they should have let go.

Some may want to call this revisionist history, but many here were clamoring for these moves to be made, and in the case of what ultimately did happen...not to be made. I think the Chychrun trade failing to come to fruition probably had the biggest impact.

If you look through the history of my posts on this board, I had been begging this team to take a chance on guys like Bennett, Duclair, Nichuskin, Montour, Gudas, Strome, Reinhart...All of those guys were younger guys than what we went with. They were all guys that carried a little bit a risk, but a very large potential reward. Imagine a defense like this:

MP-Letang
Chychrun-Montour
POJ-St. Ivany

That top 4 would have been insanely strong.

[BlackNGold4Life]

Agreed on all of this. Nino hurt for me personally and I felt he would have brought more of what we now see with bunting.

One issue with the Karlsson trade, as a positive, is the contracts we sent back. Maybe couldn’t do that for Chychrun.

Everything else you mentioned was spot on, and 90% of it was under Hextalls watch. What a disaster he was.

[Badger Bob]

Hextall was a Flyer mole sent here to destroy the team.

[FLPensFan]

Agreed on all of this. Nino hurt for me personally and I felt he would have brought more of what we now see with bunting.

One issue with the Karlsson trade, as a positive, is the contracts we sent back. Maybe couldn’t do that for Chychrun.

Everything else you mentioned was spot on, and 90% of it was under Hextalls watch. What a disaster he was.

The thing is, if we traded for Nino instead of Granlund, we wouldn't have had that bad contract to dump...and if we didn't take on Petry in a Matheson deal, we wouldn't have had his contract to dump.

[DelPen]

Not moving Murray for a ransom plus a goalie that could be exposed while being able to protect Fleury was the start of this teams downfall. Then we traded our 3rd line center and a 1st for Reaves leaving a gaping hole down the middle. And we dug in deeper by trying to help center with a 2nd line wing in Brassard.

[Antonio]

I would argue the following 5 moves.

Not firing the coach in 2023
Not firing the coach in 2022
Not firing the coach in 2021
Not firing the coach in 2020
Not firing the coach in 2019

Those might be the worst mistakes that have hamstrung the team. Maybe...

[BigMcK]

I would argue the following 5 moves.

Not firing the coach in 2023
Not firing the coach in 2022
Not firing the coach in 2021
Not firing the coach in 2020
Not firing the coach in 2019

Those might be the worst mistakes that have hamstrung the team. Maybe...

Amazingly that he fooled Rutherford, Hextal ( not surprised), and still has Dubas lauding him. I agree , but what do I know, other than he doesn't pass the eye or scratch test.

[Pens4Life]

I agree on those moves 100%

6. The New Coach since 2021/22