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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby thehockeyguru on Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:58 pm

pens_CT wrote:
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Jim wrote:
Ericf wrote:Matt Vensel was on the PG’s hockey podcast today saying that Murray wants more than what Gibson is getting, which is $6.4 mil per year


Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye.


This is the perfect opportunity to get a RHD to replace Letang. Not long ago Calgary offered Dougie Hamilton for Murray, I'd want something like that in a deal. That gives GMJR the ability to move Letang and reshape the D.


None of us know what the cap is going to look like next year, but it's safe to assume its not going up much, if at all. Unless they're moving a bigger salary out along with Murray, I don't see a big money guy like Hamilton or Sam Reinhart etc. coming back in a deal. Edmonton makes some sense, they need a goalie, supposedly they have some defensemen in the pipeline (the reason we got Marino) that would be inexpensive and improve the blue line on this team. Maybe Edmonton throws in a pick (not a 1st) into the deal as well.


Kevin Shattenkirk is a guy I'd love to have replace Schultz. He could play 3rd pairing and be the PP specialist.

Ristolainen plus is what I'd look to get for Murray and then move Letang.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby 100565 on Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:15 am

thehockeyguru wrote:Ristolainen plus is what I'd look to get for Murray



Ristolainen is a guy I thought about too. I was thinking more like RFA rights to Murray and Rodrigues for Risto. I would not trade Letang. With Risto, you would have no need for JJ, so I move him for cap reason and find a cheaper replacement. Marino played well as LD, so you could either do...

Dumo Letang
Marino Risto
Petts. xxx

or

Dumo Letang
Petts. Risto
xxx. Marino.

And sure, Marino does not belong on the bottom pair, but he started there this year and found plenty of ice time...injuries happen...and remember, as good a Marino looked, he still hasn't played a full NHL season.

As I stated in an earlier post, goalie trade value are difficult. This trade assumes Murray signs with Buff for 4-6 years with ~$5.5mil per year cap. If Murray's next contract is 3-4 years with $4.25mil per year, then your trade would be more appropriate. However, if Murray was only worth that much, I prefer the Pens keep him.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby Ericf on Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:22 am

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/290 ... -year-deal

Jarry’s contract will look very similar....Korpisalo getting 2-years at $2.8 mil AAV
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby thehockeyguru on Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:49 am

100565 wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:Ristolainen plus is what I'd look to get for Murray



Ristolainen is a guy I thought about too. I was thinking more like RFA rights to Murray and Rodrigues for Risto. I would not trade Letang. With Risto, you would have no need for JJ, so I move him for cap reason and find a cheaper replacement. Marino played well as LD, so you could either do...

Dumo Letang
Marino Risto
Petts. xxx

or

Dumo Letang
Petts. Risto
xxx. Marino.

And sure, Marino does not belong on the bottom pair, but he started there this year and found plenty of ice time...injuries happen...and remember, as good a Marino looked, he still hasn't played a full NHL season.

As I stated in an earlier post, goalie trade value are difficult. This trade assumes Murray signs with Buff for 4-6 years with ~$5.5mil per year cap. If Murray's next contract is 3-4 years with $4.25mil per year, then your trade would be more appropriate. However, if Murray was only worth that much, I prefer the Pens keep him.


Ristolainen and Marino are both RHD and should be playing top 4. That's why I suggested Shattenkirk as the bottom pair PP specialist. He is much better as the PP QB than Letang.

Dumoulin- Ristolainen
Petterssen- Marino
JJ - Shattenkirk

I'm still for moving JJ for a better fit on the bottom pairing.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby 100565 on Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:58 am

thehockeyguru wrote:Ristolainen and Marino are both RHD and should be playing top 4.


Yup, I understand they are both RD, but Marino did play LD as well and did a good job. I prefer him on the right, but he could play LD.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby Pens4Life on Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:31 am

Murray for 6.5M or Jarry for 3M is a no brainer! Keep Jarry and we have solid backup in DeSmith. We will need cap space for McCann and other young guys. But who knows what GMJR has in mind?!
He shocked us with stupid overpayment for Pettersson..
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:15 am

100565 wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:Ristolainen plus is what I'd look to get for Murray



Ristolainen is a guy I thought about too. I was thinking more like RFA rights to Murray and Rodrigues for Risto. I would not trade Letang. With Risto, you would have no need for JJ, so I move him for cap reason and find a cheaper replacement. Marino played well as LD, so you could either do...

Dumo Letang
Marino Risto
Petts. xxx

or

Dumo Letang
Petts. Risto
xxx. Marino.

And sure, Marino does not belong on the bottom pair, but he started there this year and found plenty of ice time...injuries happen...and remember, as good a Marino looked, he still hasn't played a full NHL season.

As I stated in an earlier post, goalie trade value are difficult. This trade assumes Murray signs with Buff for 4-6 years with ~$5.5mil per year cap. If Murray's next contract is 3-4 years with $4.25mil per year, then your trade would be more appropriate. However, if Murray was only worth that much, I prefer the Pens keep him.

I am well documented as a fan of Ristolainen and my desire to have him on this team, however, he'd be a huge gamble. You are basically rolling the dice that his below average play is a product of playing on a bad team his entire career. I know people have soured on +/-, but it is telling when used in certain situations. Rasmus Ristolainen came into the league in the 2013-2014 season. From that season through this past season, Rasmus Ristolainen is a -145. That is worst in the league over that period of time. I believe the next closest is Damon Severson at a -107.

I like his combination of size, physical play, ability to move the puck and put up points, but, his defensive zone coverage has been Jack Johnson level for most of his career. Now, he was only a -2 through 69 games this season, but he still got badly outshot and outshot when he was on the ice.

If we were going to send Murray to Buffalo, let's get Sam Reinhart (another man crush). Ok, that's unrealitic. But, I'd probably ask for Jake McCabe, who plays LD. I'd probably prefer McCabe on the 2nd pairing LD with Marino over Pettersson. McCabe is 26 and signed for next year at 2.85M, then a UFA, so I'd either need an extension, or some other pieces back in the deal.

On the Murray/Jarry front, no matter the price, I'm not sure how plausible it is to keep both Murray and Jarry. Jarry has showed a lot this year, the biggest that he should be in more conversations about getting a shot as a starter. He doesn't have much leverage to demand it, but, if you are Jarry and his reps, I'm not signing much more than a 1 year deal with Pittsburgh to be the backup, and, another season like this past year, I'm probably pushing for a trade. I see this as another Murray/Fleury scenario, with the only difference is the age factor is now gone with both being close in age. Money is the bigger factor. It is also hard to deny that Murray has trended downward since his two Cups. Is Jarry trending upwards or close enough to keep him over Murray?
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby Hatrick on Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:04 am

So Elvis just got a contract with a 4mil AAV with Columbus. Did not see that happening.

Wonder how that will influence Jarry's contract.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby theblackarts on Sat May 09, 2020 11:44 am

It's so hard to say if Murray has regressed for a few reasons, namely that our team defense was absolutely stellar during his two cup runs. Since then, we've been trotting out bizarre D pairings and suffering through sleeping backcheckers and general malaise. I have to think the current Murray is closer to the real Murray: good, at times great, but not a franchise goalie. If he wants franchise goalie $, then I think we have to move him.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby ville5 on Sun May 10, 2020 12:23 am

Hatrick wrote:So Elvis just got a contract with a 4mil AAV with Columbus. Did not see that happening.

Wonder how that will influence Jarry's contract.

Yikes! That guy has only last years 33 games on his NHL resume. And his numbers were nearly identical to Jarry's, who also only played 33 games last year.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby DelPen on Sun May 24, 2020 3:14 pm

Murray was not good in the second cup run, Fluery pretty much beat the Caps on his own and the team in front of him crapped the bed enough that Sullivan had to turn to Murray who basically didn’t **** up in a major way. It helped the Sens weren’t very good and that the Rinne was just brutal in the finals away from Nashville.

I watched the highlights of the last game we played in NJ, Murray let in two of the softest goals I have ever seen given up. And he’s been letting garbage like that in for the last two seasons. Unless he were to take a long term deal with a cap hit of $4 million or less get him out of here. And I’m assuming the rumors he is upset at how fans treat him were totally made up, in the big picture Pittsburgh is one of the only hockey towns where layers can live a normal life in public, talk of him being a good fit in Toronto is hilarious, he’d melt down a week into his first season there.

Jarry is good enough to win with this team, he’s the better goalie in every way except height but it doesn’t matter how tall you are if you aren’t strong enough to lift your glove up or close it.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby flame on Sun May 24, 2020 3:48 pm

DelPen wrote:Murray was not good in the second cup run, Fluery pretty much beat the Caps on his own and the team in front of him crapped the bed enough that Sullivan had to turn to Murray who basically didn’t **** up in a major way. It helped the Sens weren’t very good and that the Rinne was just brutal in the finals away from Nashville.

I watched the highlights of the last game we played in NJ, Murray let in two of the softest goals I have ever seen given up. And he’s been letting garbage like that in for the last two seasons. Unless he were to take a long term deal with a cap hit of $4 million or less get him out of here. And I’m assuming the rumors he is upset at how fans treat him were totally made up, in the big picture Pittsburgh is one of the only hockey towns where layers can live a normal life in public, talk of him being a good fit in Toronto is hilarious, he’d melt down a week into his first season there.

Jarry is good enough to win with this team, he’s the better goalie in every way except height but it doesn’t matter how tall you are if you aren’t strong enough to lift your glove up or close it.


LOL, Murray wasn't good on the second cup run? That is complete BS. I guess finishing the Cup Finals with back to back shut outs and a .937 save % for the playoffs is "not good". That being said I don't believe he's worth what he wants and I'm skeptical that he will have success this post-season run. I'm hoping the new trainer helps his game.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby FLPensFan on Tue May 26, 2020 12:52 pm

flame wrote:
DelPen wrote:Murray was not good in the second cup run, Fluery pretty much beat the Caps on his own and the team in front of him crapped the bed enough that Sullivan had to turn to Murray who basically didn’t **** up in a major way. It helped the Sens weren’t very good and that the Rinne was just brutal in the finals away from Nashville.

I watched the highlights of the last game we played in NJ, Murray let in two of the softest goals I have ever seen given up. And he’s been letting garbage like that in for the last two seasons. Unless he were to take a long term deal with a cap hit of $4 million or less get him out of here. And I’m assuming the rumors he is upset at how fans treat him were totally made up, in the big picture Pittsburgh is one of the only hockey towns where layers can live a normal life in public, talk of him being a good fit in Toronto is hilarious, he’d melt down a week into his first season there.

Jarry is good enough to win with this team, he’s the better goalie in every way except height but it doesn’t matter how tall you are if you aren’t strong enough to lift your glove up or close it.


LOL, Murray wasn't good on the second cup run? That is complete BS. I guess finishing the Cup Finals with back to back shut outs and a .937 save % for the playoffs is "not good". That being said I don't believe he's worth what he wants and I'm skeptical that he will have success this post-season run. I'm hoping the new trainer helps his game.

Taking individual goalie stats and performance completely out of the picture for a moment....

1) Even before COVID-19, Penguins were going to be a very cap strapped team.
2) With the expansion draft coming next offseason, keeping both Murray and Jarry does not make sense.
3) The league has been trending away from entrenched #1 goalies for several years. You don't see goalies playing 60 plus games anymore. Last season, Hellebuyck and Price were at 58 and would have passed 60 games. 5 other goalies in the low 50's that MAY have, but likely would not eclipse 60. 18-19 season, 8 goalies played 60 plus. 17-18, 12 goalies....16-17, 13. You go back to 09-10 season, Brodeur played 77 games and 6 goalies played 70 plus games, 14 goalies with 60 plus games (including the 70 plus ones). The league is trending more towards split goaltending. It isn't 50/50, but even a 52/30 game split...I'm not paying a guy 8M a year to play 52 games.

Jarry and DeSmith should be able to do just as fine of a job as Murray, and their combined cost should still be under what Murray wants on his own. Cap issues and expansion should be enough to consider moving him out.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby no name on Tue May 26, 2020 2:29 pm

FLPensFan wrote:
flame wrote:
DelPen wrote:Murray was not good in the second cup run, Fluery pretty much beat the Caps on his own and the team in front of him crapped the bed enough that Sullivan had to turn to Murray who basically didn’t **** up in a major way. It helped the Sens weren’t very good and that the Rinne was just brutal in the finals away from Nashville.

I watched the highlights of the last game we played in NJ, Murray let in two of the softest goals I have ever seen given up. And he’s been letting garbage like that in for the last two seasons. Unless he were to take a long term deal with a cap hit of $4 million or less get him out of here. And I’m assuming the rumors he is upset at how fans treat him were totally made up, in the big picture Pittsburgh is one of the only hockey towns where layers can live a normal life in public, talk of him being a good fit in Toronto is hilarious, he’d melt down a week into his first season there.

Jarry is good enough to win with this team, he’s the better goalie in every way except height but it doesn’t matter how tall you are if you aren’t strong enough to lift your glove up or close it.


LOL, Murray wasn't good on the second cup run? That is complete BS. I guess finishing the Cup Finals with back to back shut outs and a .937 save % for the playoffs is "not good". That being said I don't believe he's worth what he wants and I'm skeptical that he will have success this post-season run. I'm hoping the new trainer helps his game.

Taking individual goalie stats and performance completely out of the picture for a moment....

1) Even before COVID-19, Penguins were going to be a very cap strapped team.
2) With the expansion draft coming next offseason, keeping both Murray and Jarry does not make sense.
3) The league has been trending away from entrenched #1 goalies for several years. You don't see goalies playing 60 plus games anymore. Last season, Hellebuyck and Price were at 58 and would have passed 60 games. 5 other goalies in the low 50's that MAY have, but likely would not eclipse 60. 18-19 season, 8 goalies played 60 plus. 17-18, 12 goalies....16-17, 13. You go back to 09-10 season, Brodeur played 77 games and 6 goalies played 70 plus games, 14 goalies with 60 plus games (including the 70 plus ones). The league is trending more towards split goaltending. It isn't 50/50, but even a 52/30 game split...I'm not paying a guy 8M a year to play 52 games.

Jarry and DeSmith should be able to do just as fine of a job as Murray, and their combined cost should still be under what Murray wants on his own. Cap issues and expansion should be enough to consider moving him out.



I agree but in order to get market value for Murray you have to have him under a contact and hope Seattle picks him off the roster or you have to have a make a deal with seattle that they will take him. It would be nice to have Murray play these playoffs and see how he fairs. It seemed Sully was playing as the number 1 goalie right before the season ended.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby FLPensFan on Tue May 26, 2020 9:51 pm

no name wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:
flame wrote:
DelPen wrote:Murray was not good in the second cup run, Fluery pretty much beat the Caps on his own and the team in front of him crapped the bed enough that Sullivan had to turn to Murray who basically didn’t **** up in a major way. It helped the Sens weren’t very good and that the Rinne was just brutal in the finals away from Nashville.

I watched the highlights of the last game we played in NJ, Murray let in two of the softest goals I have ever seen given up. And he’s been letting garbage like that in for the last two seasons. Unless he were to take a long term deal with a cap hit of $4 million or less get him out of here. And I’m assuming the rumors he is upset at how fans treat him were totally made up, in the big picture Pittsburgh is one of the only hockey towns where layers can live a normal life in public, talk of him being a good fit in Toronto is hilarious, he’d melt down a week into his first season there.

Jarry is good enough to win with this team, he’s the better goalie in every way except height but it doesn’t matter how tall you are if you aren’t strong enough to lift your glove up or close it.


LOL, Murray wasn't good on the second cup run? That is complete BS. I guess finishing the Cup Finals with back to back shut outs and a .937 save % for the playoffs is "not good". That being said I don't believe he's worth what he wants and I'm skeptical that he will have success this post-season run. I'm hoping the new trainer helps his game.

Taking individual goalie stats and performance completely out of the picture for a moment....

1) Even before COVID-19, Penguins were going to be a very cap strapped team.
2) With the expansion draft coming next offseason, keeping both Murray and Jarry does not make sense.
3) The league has been trending away from entrenched #1 goalies for several years. You don't see goalies playing 60 plus games anymore. Last season, Hellebuyck and Price were at 58 and would have passed 60 games. 5 other goalies in the low 50's that MAY have, but likely would not eclipse 60. 18-19 season, 8 goalies played 60 plus. 17-18, 12 goalies....16-17, 13. You go back to 09-10 season, Brodeur played 77 games and 6 goalies played 70 plus games, 14 goalies with 60 plus games (including the 70 plus ones). The league is trending more towards split goaltending. It isn't 50/50, but even a 52/30 game split...I'm not paying a guy 8M a year to play 52 games.

Jarry and DeSmith should be able to do just as fine of a job as Murray, and their combined cost should still be under what Murray wants on his own. Cap issues and expansion should be enough to consider moving him out.



I agree but in order to get market value for Murray you have to have him under a contact and hope Seattle picks him off the roster or you have to have a make a deal with seattle that they will take him. It would be nice to have Murray play these playoffs and see how he fairs. It seemed Sully was playing as the number 1 goalie right before the season ended.

I'm not sure I'm reading your reply right. In no way would I want to let Seattle just take Murray. That would be horrible asset management. It's really hard to get a line on what good, fair value is for a goalie, but there should be at least 4-6 teams out there that SHOULD be very interested in Murray. Detroit and Buffalo are the top two that come to mind; NJ and Ottawa should at least be talking about him. Colorado reportedly was interested, but, would likely need to move Grubauer or Francouz to make the money work. Minnesota had the worst goaltending in the league last year. Hell, reverse the Zucker trade....get Addison and our 1st back for Murray.

Ideally, I would want to trade Murray for a young RD who could play 3rd pairing next year, with the potential to be a 2nd pairing guy. If I had to, I would settle for a LD of the same caliber, and make JJ an extra or rotational 3rd pairing d-man.

Minnesota doesn't fit that request unless they are giving us Addison back, and, he's likely not ready for NHL next season.
Colorado could probably only offer Zadorov, LD, 25, and an RFA coming off a 3.2M deal. Too expensive for where he would slot in, and his play has been very up and down.
NJ...they'd have to give me Severson or Butcher, and both again are likely too expensive for bottom pairing at 4.16M and 3.73M respectively.
Ottawa...I'd take Erik Brannstrom, but doubt Ottawa would do that.
Detroit...I'd take Dennis Cholowski in return.
Buffalo...I'd take Jokiharju or McCabe. McCabe is better than a 3rd paring guy, but, he would be a nice JJ replacement. Moves the puck well and can play physical. He won't have as many hits as JJ, but, he will use the body.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby Luckybreak on Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:06 am

Interesting article about goaltending. About the Leafs but relevant in terms of spending big money on a goalie and in terms of the positioning of Murray on the charts.

Pushed my opinion further towards trading him and go with Jarry/DeSmith.

https://theleafsnation.com/2020/06/06/f ... o-pay-him/
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby no name on Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:44 pm

FLPensFan wrote:
no name wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:
flame wrote:
DelPen wrote:Murray was not good in the second cup run, Fluery pretty much beat the Caps on his own and the team in front of him crapped the bed enough that Sullivan had to turn to Murray who basically didn’t **** up in a major way. It helped the Sens weren’t very good and that the Rinne was just brutal in the finals away from Nashville.

I watched the highlights of the last game we played in NJ, Murray let in two of the softest goals I have ever seen given up. And he’s been letting garbage like that in for the last two seasons. Unless he were to take a long term deal with a cap hit of $4 million or less get him out of here. And I’m assuming the rumors he is upset at how fans treat him were totally made up, in the big picture Pittsburgh is one of the only hockey towns where layers can live a normal life in public, talk of him being a good fit in Toronto is hilarious, he’d melt down a week into his first season there.

Jarry is good enough to win with this team, he’s the better goalie in every way except height but it doesn’t matter how tall you are if you aren’t strong enough to lift your glove up or close it.


LOL, Murray wasn't good on the second cup run? That is complete BS. I guess finishing the Cup Finals with back to back shut outs and a .937 save % for the playoffs is "not good". That being said I don't believe he's worth what he wants and I'm skeptical that he will have success this post-season run. I'm hoping the new trainer helps his game.

Taking individual goalie stats and performance completely out of the picture for a moment....

1) Even before COVID-19, Penguins were going to be a very cap strapped team.
2) With the expansion draft coming next offseason, keeping both Murray and Jarry does not make sense.
3) The league has been trending away from entrenched #1 goalies for several years. You don't see goalies playing 60 plus games anymore. Last season, Hellebuyck and Price were at 58 and would have passed 60 games. 5 other goalies in the low 50's that MAY have, but likely would not eclipse 60. 18-19 season, 8 goalies played 60 plus. 17-18, 12 goalies....16-17, 13. You go back to 09-10 season, Brodeur played 77 games and 6 goalies played 70 plus games, 14 goalies with 60 plus games (including the 70 plus ones). The league is trending more towards split goaltending. It isn't 50/50, but even a 52/30 game split...I'm not paying a guy 8M a year to play 52 games.

Jarry and DeSmith should be able to do just as fine of a job as Murray, and their combined cost should still be under what Murray wants on his own. Cap issues and expansion should be enough to consider moving him out.



I agree but in order to get market value for Murray you have to have him under a contact and hope Seattle picks him off the roster or you have to have a make a deal with seattle that they will take him. It would be nice to have Murray play these playoffs and see how he fairs. It seemed Sully was playing as the number 1 goalie right before the season ended.

I'm not sure I'm reading your reply right. In no way would I want to let Seattle just take Murray. That would be horrible asset management. It's really hard to get a line on what good, fair value is for a goalie, but there should be at least 4-6 teams out there that SHOULD be very interested in Murray. Detroit and Buffalo are the top two that come to mind; NJ and Ottawa should at least be talking about him. Colorado reportedly was interested, but, would likely need to move Grubauer or Francouz to make the money work. Minnesota had the worst goaltending in the league last year. Hell, reverse the Zucker trade....get Addison and our 1st back for Murray.

Ideally, I would want to trade Murray for a young RD who could play 3rd pairing next year, with the potential to be a 2nd pairing guy. If I had to, I would settle for a LD of the same caliber, and make JJ an extra or rotational 3rd pairing d-man.

Minnesota doesn't fit that request unless they are giving us Addison back, and, he's likely not ready for NHL next season.
Colorado could probably only offer Zadorov, LD, 25, and an RFA coming off a 3.2M deal. Too expensive for where he would slot in, and his play has been very up and down.
NJ...they'd have to give me Severson or Butcher, and both again are likely too expensive for bottom pairing at 4.16M and 3.73M respectively.
Ottawa...I'd take Erik Brannstrom, but doubt Ottawa would do that.
Detroit...I'd take Dennis Cholowski in return.
Buffalo...I'd take Jokiharju or McCabe. McCabe is better than a 3rd paring guy, but, he would be a nice JJ replacement. Moves the puck well and can play physical. He won't have as many hits as JJ, but, he will use the body.


Actually you are totally right but the last expansion draft I thought the same about Fleury, trade him at the deadline and get some kind of asset for him. Now in retrospect Jim was right in holding onto him and that paid off we needed him for the first 2 rounds. Last expansion draft teams threw picks and players at Vegas to keep the player they coveted. Looking back I thought Jim was crazy, dealing him to Vegas and giving up a second round draft pick to ensure they take MAF and pick up his 6m salary. Vegas would of been stupid not to take him but to ensure it you had to do it.

I would have to agree with you get what you can for Murray on draft day or the deadline and see how it works out get some good assets and move on with Jarry who seems like a solid starting goalie.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby Hatrick on Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:13 pm

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Actually you are totally right but the last expansion draft I thought the same about Fleury, trade him at the deadline and get some kind of asset for him. Now in retrospect Jim was right in holding onto him and that paid off we needed him for the first 2 rounds. Last expansion draft teams threw picks and players at Vegas to keep the player they coveted. Looking back I thought Jim was crazy, dealing him to Vegas and giving up a second round draft pick to ensure they take MAF and pick up his 6m salary. Vegas would of been stupid not to take him but to ensure it you had to do it.

I would have to agree with you get what you can for Murray on draft day or the deadline and see how it works out get some good assets and move on with Jarry who seems like a solid starting goalie.

i still think throwing in the second was dumb. But Vegas has a great pokerface.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby Steve Dave on Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:16 pm

Hatrick wrote:
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Actually you are totally right but the last expansion draft I thought the same about Fleury, trade him at the deadline and get some kind of asset for him. Now in retrospect Jim was right in holding onto him and that paid off we needed him for the first 2 rounds. Last expansion draft teams threw picks and players at Vegas to keep the player they coveted. Looking back I thought Jim was crazy, dealing him to Vegas and giving up a second round draft pick to ensure they take MAF and pick up his 6m salary. Vegas would of been stupid not to take him but to ensure it you had to do it.

I would have to agree with you get what you can for Murray on draft day or the deadline and see how it works out get some good assets and move on with Jarry who seems like a solid starting goalie.

i still think throwing in the second was dumb. But Vegas has a great pokerface.

I think Vegas wanted to pick Rust. So we traded Fleury (who was replaceable and more expensive than Murray) and a 2nd for Rust.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby Pensfan4life8771 on Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:42 am

Thoughts on these offseason trades?

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1764007

The idea with the Ottawa trade is build a little toward future and the present with the goalie acquisition and LW is a current need on third line for next season.
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Re: Post-Gazette takes a look at looming Murray/Jarry decisi

Postby Skatingpen on Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:01 pm

According to Twitter Murray just unfollowed the Pens on instagram......... the drama! ;)
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