Southern Fan wrote:Only expect some minor tweaks.
FLPensFan wrote:My overall thought right now is that the deadline is going to be underwhelming. I won't put it past GMJR to go off-board and snag someone we aren't really talking about, but, the names being bandied about (Zucker, Saad, Kreider, Toffoli, Athanasiou, etc) are either on teams still fighting for playoffs (and likely won't be available) too expensive (see Kreider, Chris) or just aren't very good (AA).
Prediction: Blake Coleman and Craig Smith, and a depth defenseman
Preferred: Zucker and Del Zotto
pens_CT wrote:FLPensFan wrote:My overall thought right now is that the deadline is going to be underwhelming. I won't put it past GMJR to go off-board and snag someone we aren't really talking about, but, the names being bandied about (Zucker, Saad, Kreider, Toffoli, Athanasiou, etc) are either on teams still fighting for playoffs (and likely won't be available) too expensive (see Kreider, Chris) or just aren't very good (AA).
Prediction: Blake Coleman and Craig Smith, and a depth defenseman
Preferred: Zucker and Del Zotto
I would consider Coleman and Smith a pretty good day. What have you heard about Zucker and his NMC having Pittsburgh as as a team he doesn't want to be traded to? Supposedly relates to his wife having joint custody of her daughter with an ex-husband and if he is traded she isn't moving from Minnesota. Sounds like a family mess which could translate to the ice.
KG wrote:pens_CT wrote:FLPensFan wrote:My overall thought right now is that the deadline is going to be underwhelming. I won't put it past GMJR to go off-board and snag someone we aren't really talking about, but, the names being bandied about (Zucker, Saad, Kreider, Toffoli, Athanasiou, etc) are either on teams still fighting for playoffs (and likely won't be available) too expensive (see Kreider, Chris) or just aren't very good (AA).
Prediction: Blake Coleman and Craig Smith, and a depth defenseman
Preferred: Zucker and Del Zotto
I would consider Coleman and Smith a pretty good day. What have you heard about Zucker and his NMC having Pittsburgh as as a team he doesn't want to be traded to? Supposedly relates to his wife having joint custody of her daughter with an ex-husband and if he is traded she isn't moving from Minnesota. Sounds like a family mess which could translate to the ice.
Is that right? Interesting. Surprised that doesn't happen more often actually.
pens_CT wrote:FLPensFan wrote:My overall thought right now is that the deadline is going to be underwhelming. I won't put it past GMJR to go off-board and snag someone we aren't really talking about, but, the names being bandied about (Zucker, Saad, Kreider, Toffoli, Athanasiou, etc) are either on teams still fighting for playoffs (and likely won't be available) too expensive (see Kreider, Chris) or just aren't very good (AA).
Prediction: Blake Coleman and Craig Smith, and a depth defenseman
Preferred: Zucker and Del Zotto
I would consider Coleman and Smith a pretty good day. What have you heard about Zucker and his NMC having Pittsburgh as as a team he doesn't want to be traded to? Supposedly relates to his wife having joint custody of her daughter with an ex-husband and if he is traded she isn't moving from Minnesota. Sounds like a family mess which could translate to the ice.
pens_CT wrote:KG wrote:pens_CT wrote:FLPensFan wrote:My overall thought right now is that the deadline is going to be underwhelming. I won't put it past GMJR to go off-board and snag someone we aren't really talking about, but, the names being bandied about (Zucker, Saad, Kreider, Toffoli, Athanasiou, etc) are either on teams still fighting for playoffs (and likely won't be available) too expensive (see Kreider, Chris) or just aren't very good (AA).
Prediction: Blake Coleman and Craig Smith, and a depth defenseman
Preferred: Zucker and Del Zotto
I would consider Coleman and Smith a pretty good day. What have you heard about Zucker and his NMC having Pittsburgh as as a team he doesn't want to be traded to? Supposedly relates to his wife having joint custody of her daughter with an ex-husband and if he is traded she isn't moving from Minnesota. Sounds like a family mess which could translate to the ice.
Is that right? Interesting. Surprised that doesn't happen more often actually.
The NMC for Zucker went into effect this season, supposedly didn't exist during the alleged Kessel to Minnesota trade talks. The issue with his wife and child custody was in a Mike Russo story in the Athletic last year.
FLPensFan wrote:pens_CT wrote:FLPensFan wrote:My overall thought right now is that the deadline is going to be underwhelming. I won't put it past GMJR to go off-board and snag someone we aren't really talking about, but, the names being bandied about (Zucker, Saad, Kreider, Toffoli, Athanasiou, etc) are either on teams still fighting for playoffs (and likely won't be available) too expensive (see Kreider, Chris) or just aren't very good (AA).
Prediction: Blake Coleman and Craig Smith, and a depth defenseman
Preferred: Zucker and Del Zotto
I would consider Coleman and Smith a pretty good day. What have you heard about Zucker and his NMC having Pittsburgh as as a team he doesn't want to be traded to? Supposedly relates to his wife having joint custody of her daughter with an ex-husband and if he is traded she isn't moving from Minnesota. Sounds like a family mess which could translate to the ice.
I haven't heard anything specific, but, sounds maybe like a Kessel type situation. Kessel was known at times to put teams he heard might want him on his no-trade list, or put teams on his approved list that he knew didn't want him or couldn't afford him cap wise.
Zucker's wife Carly is on Twitter and is somewhat vocal. I wouldn't really say in a bad way, but I think she was a bit upset with Paul Fenton having Zucker in the rumor mill almost all last season. In any event, Zucker has a 10 team no trade list. Word on the street is that most players have Canadian teams on the no-trade lists because the taxes are so high. Maybe Zucker senses a possible trade to Pittsburgh and blocked it with his list, but, that doesn't prevent him from getting traded, and maybe even somewhere farther away like an Arizona or Dallas. Pittsburgh is a good team, so, if he did block them, he could be shooting himself in the foot if he is moved elsewhere, even further away from Minnesota.
KG wrote:Toffoli and Alec Martinez from LA for Galchenyuk, Riikola, 2nd, and 4th round picks.
FLPensFan wrote:KG wrote:Toffoli and Alec Martinez from LA for Galchenyuk, Riikola, 2nd, and 4th round picks.
That's not horrible. IF the Penguins got something they really liked for Schultz, I think the only way they could do it is if they got someone like Vatanen or Martinez for the rest of the season.
TIOPS also mentioned the Penguins are high on DeSmith, don't really want to move him, but the starting point to even consider it would be a 3rd round pick.
pens_CT wrote:FLPensFan wrote:pens_CT wrote:FLPensFan wrote:My overall thought right now is that the deadline is going to be underwhelming. I won't put it past GMJR to go off-board and snag someone we aren't really talking about, but, the names being bandied about (Zucker, Saad, Kreider, Toffoli, Athanasiou, etc) are either on teams still fighting for playoffs (and likely won't be available) too expensive (see Kreider, Chris) or just aren't very good (AA).
Prediction: Blake Coleman and Craig Smith, and a depth defenseman
Preferred: Zucker and Del Zotto
I would consider Coleman and Smith a pretty good day. What have you heard about Zucker and his NMC having Pittsburgh as as a team he doesn't want to be traded to? Supposedly relates to his wife having joint custody of her daughter with an ex-husband and if he is traded she isn't moving from Minnesota. Sounds like a family mess which could translate to the ice.
I haven't heard anything specific, but, sounds maybe like a Kessel type situation. Kessel was known at times to put teams he heard might want him on his no-trade list, or put teams on his approved list that he knew didn't want him or couldn't afford him cap wise.
Zucker's wife Carly is on Twitter and is somewhat vocal. I wouldn't really say in a bad way, but I think she was a bit upset with Paul Fenton having Zucker in the rumor mill almost all last season. In any event, Zucker has a 10 team no trade list. Word on the street is that most players have Canadian teams on the no-trade lists because the taxes are so high. Maybe Zucker senses a possible trade to Pittsburgh and blocked it with his list, but, that doesn't prevent him from getting traded, and maybe even somewhere farther away like an Arizona or Dallas. Pittsburgh is a good team, so, if he did block them, he could be shooting himself in the foot if he is moved elsewhere, even further away from Minnesota.
True, but assuming Pittsburgh isn't on the list you would need to be concerned about his mental state if his wife and kids are stuck in Minnesota and he's here.
longtimefan wrote:FLPensFan wrote:KG wrote:Toffoli and Alec Martinez from LA for Galchenyuk, Riikola, 2nd, and 4th round picks.
That's not horrible. IF the Penguins got something they really liked for Schultz, I think the only way they could do it is if they got someone like Vatanen or Martinez for the rest of the season.
TIOPS also mentioned the Penguins are high on DeSmith, don't really want to move him, but the starting point to even consider it would be a 3rd round pick.
It's amusing that TIOPS was trumpeting DeSmith's imminent departure last fall after he said he was blind sided by being sent down. I didn't think it was a big deal, but TIOPS said that they were very displeased and looking to move him as soon as possible. It's just funny it's the same site. I don't believe they have any interest in moving DeSmith for futures. I always believed that the reasoning for giving him a 3 year contract was to make certain he was available for the expansion draft. Much like the reasoning for having Hornqvist's NTC expire prior to the draft.
Jim wrote:longtimefan wrote:FLPensFan wrote:KG wrote:Toffoli and Alec Martinez from LA for Galchenyuk, Riikola, 2nd, and 4th round picks.
That's not horrible. IF the Penguins got something they really liked for Schultz, I think the only way they could do it is if they got someone like Vatanen or Martinez for the rest of the season.
TIOPS also mentioned the Penguins are high on DeSmith, don't really want to move him, but the starting point to even consider it would be a 3rd round pick.
It's amusing that TIOPS was trumpeting DeSmith's imminent departure last fall after he said he was blind sided by being sent down. I didn't think it was a big deal, but TIOPS said that they were very displeased and looking to move him as soon as possible. It's just funny it's the same site. I don't believe they have any interest in moving DeSmith for futures. I always believed that the reasoning for giving him a 3 year contract was to make certain he was available for the expansion draft. Much like the reasoning for having Hornqvist's NTC expire prior to the draft.
NTCs do not have any affect on the expansion draft.
LimerickPensFan wrote:Jim wrote:longtimefan wrote:FLPensFan wrote:KG wrote:Toffoli and Alec Martinez from LA for Galchenyuk, Riikola, 2nd, and 4th round picks.
That's not horrible. IF the Penguins got something they really liked for Schultz, I think the only way they could do it is if they got someone like Vatanen or Martinez for the rest of the season.
TIOPS also mentioned the Penguins are high on DeSmith, don't really want to move him, but the starting point to even consider it would be a 3rd round pick.
It's amusing that TIOPS was trumpeting DeSmith's imminent departure last fall after he said he was blind sided by being sent down. I didn't think it was a big deal, but TIOPS said that they were very displeased and looking to move him as soon as possible. It's just funny it's the same site. I don't believe they have any interest in moving DeSmith for futures. I always believed that the reasoning for giving him a 3 year contract was to make certain he was available for the expansion draft. Much like the reasoning for having Hornqvist's NTC expire prior to the draft.
NTCs do not have any affect on the expansion draft.
Sure they do. You can't expose someone with an NTC to the draft unless they waive the NTC. Fleury had to agree to be exposed for the Vegas draft.
LimerickPensFan wrote:Jim wrote:longtimefan wrote:FLPensFan wrote:KG wrote:Toffoli and Alec Martinez from LA for Galchenyuk, Riikola, 2nd, and 4th round picks.
That's not horrible. IF the Penguins got something they really liked for Schultz, I think the only way they could do it is if they got someone like Vatanen or Martinez for the rest of the season.
TIOPS also mentioned the Penguins are high on DeSmith, don't really want to move him, but the starting point to even consider it would be a 3rd round pick.
It's amusing that TIOPS was trumpeting DeSmith's imminent departure last fall after he said he was blind sided by being sent down. I didn't think it was a big deal, but TIOPS said that they were very displeased and looking to move him as soon as possible. It's just funny it's the same site. I don't believe they have any interest in moving DeSmith for futures. I always believed that the reasoning for giving him a 3 year contract was to make certain he was available for the expansion draft. Much like the reasoning for having Hornqvist's NTC expire prior to the draft.
NTCs do not have any affect on the expansion draft.
Sure they do. You can't expose someone with an NTC to the draft unless they waive the NTC. Fleury had to agree to be exposed for the Vegas draft.
Jim wrote:longtimefan wrote:FLPensFan wrote:KG wrote:Toffoli and Alec Martinez from LA for Galchenyuk, Riikola, 2nd, and 4th round picks.
That's not horrible. IF the Penguins got something they really liked for Schultz, I think the only way they could do it is if they got someone like Vatanen or Martinez for the rest of the season.
TIOPS also mentioned the Penguins are high on DeSmith, don't really want to move him, but the starting point to even consider it would be a 3rd round pick.
It's amusing that TIOPS was trumpeting DeSmith's imminent departure last fall after he said he was blind sided by being sent down. I didn't think it was a big deal, but TIOPS said that they were very displeased and looking to move him as soon as possible. It's just funny it's the same site. I don't believe they have any interest in moving DeSmith for futures. I always believed that the reasoning for giving him a 3 year contract was to make certain he was available for the expansion draft. Much like the reasoning for having Hornqvist's NTC expire prior to the draft.
NTCs do not have any affect on the expansion draft.
longtimefan wrote:Jim wrote:longtimefan wrote:FLPensFan wrote:KG wrote:Toffoli and Alec Martinez from LA for Galchenyuk, Riikola, 2nd, and 4th round picks.
That's not horrible. IF the Penguins got something they really liked for Schultz, I think the only way they could do it is if they got someone like Vatanen or Martinez for the rest of the season.
TIOPS also mentioned the Penguins are high on DeSmith, don't really want to move him, but the starting point to even consider it would be a 3rd round pick.
It's amusing that TIOPS was trumpeting DeSmith's imminent departure last fall after he said he was blind sided by being sent down. I didn't think it was a big deal, but TIOPS said that they were very displeased and looking to move him as soon as possible. It's just funny it's the same site. I don't believe they have any interest in moving DeSmith for futures. I always believed that the reasoning for giving him a 3 year contract was to make certain he was available for the expansion draft. Much like the reasoning for having Hornqvist's NTC expire prior to the draft.
NTCs do not have any affect on the expansion draft.
My mistake, I get knotted up with the difference between NTC's AND NMC's sometimes. It's still interesting to me that Horny's full NTC changes to a modified NTC after next season, when he can only submit an 8 team no trade list. The full NTC is why I haven't put any stock in the "trade Hornqvist" posts. He has all the power. In terms of DeSmith, it was mentioned even at the time of the deal that it was tailored toward having a goaltender available to expose for the draft. Backup goalies aren't generally given 3 year deals. Which was pretty smart on JR's part. And why I've ignored any talk of moving him for futures. Only if he'd be needed to complete a bigger deal. Which I see as very unlikely.
At this stage, the Blackhawks would be required to protect Brent Seabrook and Duncan Keith along with Toews and Kane. The Seabrook contract is the major albatross. One I expect they'll address before the time comes. There's little doubt the Pens have managed their payroll more responsibly than the other cap era multi cup champions, Chicago and LA.
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