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do you think a enforcer only player is needed in todays NHL.

No i see no need for a enforcer in todays NHL
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Yes, an enforcer stops other players from taking liberties on star players
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I would keep one in the minors and call him up only when i need him.
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If you were a NHL coach...

Postby no name on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:21 am

I get the feeling the Goon only player in the NHL is a dying breed. Only a few select left. Seems like the Rupps, Ashams and Averys are what teams are moving towards.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby mikey287 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:23 am

Good for the minors, fans of minor league hockey (especially older ones) gravitate to the hand throwers. Might keep one down there, but all in all, they aren't necessary today.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:47 pm

Yeah, what mikey said. Waste of a roster spot for the NHL, but has gate attraction potential in the AHL.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby Gaucho on Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:35 pm

I can certainly do without.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby ulf on Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:44 pm

i think someone like Kunitz is far more effective than a goon. The fighters don't really deter anyone from hitting star players, due to the instigator rule. As a result, the only fights are against the other goons, and I could go without those. Fighting isn't that entertaining to me anymore, unless it's someone like TK that gets into it to get the team going.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby columbia on Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:45 pm

I see no use for them, but it remains to be seen if Shero does.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby firepower on Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:39 am

Keep them in the minors. Gotta have old fashioned hockey somewhere. Can call them up in case the owners get out of hand. Oops too late :roll:
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby pressure=9Pa on Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:54 am

They will always have a place in the minors, because guys that can fight need to prove they can skate, and marginal skaters need to prove they can fight to get another shot at the NHL. However until you demonstrate you can do each, you can stay in the AHL.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby mac5155 on Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:34 am

Cam Jansen and Ben Eager are 2 that come to mind that can take a normal shift.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby wondermoose on Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:51 pm

There seem to be enough players that can play AND fight, so no, goons are on their way out. Gotta be able to at least skate these days.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby no name on Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:07 pm

I agree with everyone the Godards and MacIntyers are on their way out.

If there was a total enforcer who could play a regualr 4th line shift and be effective, how much would you pay for that player?? Would you target him as a guy you gotta have or would you save that cap space for another type of role player. I wouild imagine he would be worth 1.5 a season.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby IanMoran on Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:23 am

I've wondered why we've never seen emergence of shootout specialists. If going to have someone that will only play a couple minutes a night, won't play in playoffs, and is useless outside of one thing... I've always felt scoring in shootouts would be more important.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby no name on Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:03 pm

IanMoran wrote:I've wondered why we've never seen emergence of shootout specialists. If going to have someone that will only play a couple minutes a night, won't play in playoffs, and is useless outside of one thing... I've always felt scoring in shootouts would be more important.


I think that is why Erik Christinson is still in the league, you can find a guy like him anywhere in the league. His shootout ability keeps him valuable. I guess a shootout guy is going to be a finess type of player and might not fit in on a gritty 4th line.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby MRandall25 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:56 pm

Except Christensen signed in the KHL before the lockout even began.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby Pitt87 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:54 pm

mikey287 wrote:Good for the minors, fans of minor league hockey (especially older ones) gravitate to the hand throwers. Might keep one down there, but all in all, they aren't necessary today.


Minor league fans like fighters, but I think the heavyweights that can barely move the puck have no place in the game today. I think an enforcer needs to be able to 'enforce' with his gloves on as well as he does with gloves off.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby Hawkeynut on Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:28 pm

Staged enforcer fights are the NHL's equivalent to a cock fight.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby pressure=9Pa on Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:44 pm

IanMoran wrote:I've wondered why we've never seen emergence of shootout specialists. If going to have someone that will only play a couple minutes a night, won't play in playoffs, and is useless outside of one thing... I've always felt scoring in shootouts would be more important.


I've argued for this many times. Many, many points are awarded based on winning a skills competition a dozen or so times a winter. Come playoff time and free agency, those points are forgotten about.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby no name on Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:23 am

pressure=9Pa wrote:
IanMoran wrote:I've wondered why we've never seen emergence of shootout specialists. If going to have someone that will only play a couple minutes a night, won't play in playoffs, and is useless outside of one thing... I've always felt scoring in shootouts would be more important.


I've argued for this many times. Many, many points are awarded based on winning a skills competition a dozen or so times a winter. Come playoff time and free agency, those points are forgotten about.


I always thought they should play 3 on 3 in OT until a winner is decided. The shootout still has excitment but I would rather see a hockey play determin a winner than someone who is just good on a breakaway. Also any penalty in OT should be a penalty shot.

I know mine isn't a popular opinion and i have to admit the chance of a shootout does keep people in their seats during OT. In the old days the arena would start to clear when there was 2 minutes left in the game. and by the end of OT the arena was only half full. Now it pretty much stay full to the end if the game is close.
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby scals37 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:03 pm

no name wrote:
pressure=9Pa wrote:
IanMoran wrote:I've wondered why we've never seen emergence of shootout specialists. If going to have someone that will only play a couple minutes a night, won't play in playoffs, and is useless outside of one thing... I've always felt scoring in shootouts would be more important.


I've argued for this many times. Many, many points are awarded based on winning a skills competition a dozen or so times a winter. Come playoff time and free agency, those points are forgotten about.


I always thought they should play 3 on 3 in OT until a winner is decided. The shootout still has excitment but I would rather see a hockey play determin a winner than someone who is just good on a breakaway. Also any penalty in OT should be a penalty shot.

I know mine isn't a popular opinion and i have to admit the chance of a shootout does keep people in their seats during OT. In the old days the arena would start to clear when there was 2 minutes left in the game. and by the end of OT the arena was only half full. Now it pretty much stay full to the end if the game is close.

Definitely would be interested in seeing this format, unfortunately I doubt it will ever happen
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Re: If you were a NHL coach...

Postby scals37 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:05 pm

wondermoose wrote:There seem to be enough players that can play AND fight, so no, goons are on their way out. Gotta be able to at least skate these days.

make way for the Engellands and Rupps, tough guys that can play the game are way more valuable and IMO are more entertaining to watch scrap
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