What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Forum for Pittsburgh Penguins-related messages.

Moderators: Three Stars, dagny, pfim, netwolf

What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby Godric on Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:59 pm

:pop:

I'm bored.
Godric
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 6,240
Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:19 am
Location: Switch the style up and if they hate, let em hate and watch the money pile up

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby Gaucho on Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:06 pm

I guess we'd draft a prospect, maybe a defenseman.
Gaucho
NHL Third Liner
NHL Third Liner
 
Posts: 40,746
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:22 am
Location: The Onyx Club

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby Godric on Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:09 pm

Gaucho wrote:I guess we'd draft a prospect, maybe a defenseman.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Another 5'10 good old North American Dman :thumb:
Godric
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 6,240
Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:19 am
Location: Switch the style up and if they hate, let em hate and watch the money pile up

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby pittsports87 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:09 pm

Gaucho wrote:I guess we'd draft a prospect, maybe a defenseman.

Maybe?
pittsports87
NHL Healthy Scratch
NHL Healthy Scratch
 
Posts: 11,422
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:44 pm
Location: College

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby Gaucho on Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:11 pm

pittsports87 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:I guess we'd draft a prospect, maybe a defenseman.

Maybe?


Or a center.
Gaucho
NHL Third Liner
NHL Third Liner
 
Posts: 40,746
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:22 am
Location: The Onyx Club

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby Godric on Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:11 pm

pittsports87 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:I guess we'd draft a prospect, maybe a defenseman.

Maybe?


We could trade the pick :pop:
Godric
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 6,240
Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:19 am
Location: Switch the style up and if they hate, let em hate and watch the money pile up

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby Gaucho on Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:13 pm

For a defenseman?
Gaucho
NHL Third Liner
NHL Third Liner
 
Posts: 40,746
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:22 am
Location: The Onyx Club

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby pittsports87 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:13 pm

Godric wrote:
pittsports87 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:I guess we'd draft a prospect, maybe a defenseman.

Maybe?


We could trade the pick :pop:

In that case we would trade for 2 defensive prospects and 2 draft picks where they would take defensmen.
pittsports87
NHL Healthy Scratch
NHL Healthy Scratch
 
Posts: 11,422
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:44 pm
Location: College

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby Godric on Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:15 pm



Malkin-esque player would be avaliable @ number 1
Godric
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 6,240
Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:19 am
Location: Switch the style up and if they hate, let em hate and watch the money pile up

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby IanMoran on Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:24 pm

God the "NHL RIGS FOR PITTSBURGH" would be lulz worthy
IanMoran
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 5,874
Joined: Tue May 12, 2009 12:10 am
Location: Minneapolis, via Pittsburgh

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby blurryhaze312 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:14 pm

That guy looks exciting to watch...wow.
blurryhaze312
AHL'er
AHL'er
 
Posts: 3,015
Joined: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:46 am
Location: Pathetic, Fake Fan by Simple Definition

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby no name on Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:31 pm

You bring up a good question, if there is no season will they have another Lottery draft, like how we got Sid.
no name
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 5,943
Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:19 pm

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby Lt. Dish on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:59 pm

Living in Flyerland, I think it would be hilarious.
Lt. Dish
AHL Hall of Famer
AHL Hall of Famer
 
Posts: 9,695
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:07 pm
Location: TOOTBLAN

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby SolidSnake on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:00 pm

Then obviously Bettman rigged it for the Penguins
SolidSnake
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 19,127
Joined: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:41 pm
Location: Winners don't use drugs.- William S. Sessions.

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby mikey287 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:14 pm

Trade it for Filip Forsberg or Teuvo Teravainen...
mikey287
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 17,107
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:40 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA - @MichaelFarkasHF

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby TheBigLebowski on Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:50 pm

Regarding the snub of Forsberg at #8, I still find myself shaking my head. The kid was the overall fourth rated prospect in the draft, who plays a position of need. A position where the Pens fall short at every level.

I realize the importance of having a good scouting report on prospects, and with Joe Morrow in Portland the Pens staff had plenty of opportunities to scout Derrick Pouliot. That said, lots of scouts had Olli Matta ranked higher than Pouliot and the Pens grabbed him at #22. Would DP have been available at #22? It's hard to say but methinks I would've taken the talented winger while taking my chances that either Pouliot or Matta were available at #22.
TheBigLebowski
Junior 'A'
Junior 'A'
 
Posts: 193
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:43 pm
Location: Walter Sobchak's House

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby mikey287 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:04 am

It's been hashed out a lot already...no need to go through it again. Drafting for need is generally foolish. He was only the fourth rated prospect by one source (though 4 sounds high...but that's not the point...it could have been 1, it doesn't matter)...many NHL teams did not have him that high. Many teams had Pouliot higher than 22 or where ever, more than just Pittsburgh had him top-10. No one has a clue who Forsberg is (period) if not for that arbitrary number to the left of his name, same for Teravainen. If Pouliot had a 6 next to his name on one list and Forsberg has a 27, no one says anything...the arguments aren't based on talent analysis, they're based on an arbitrary number. Garbage in, garbage out.
mikey287
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 17,107
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:40 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA - @MichaelFarkasHF

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby Rylan on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:05 am

mikey287 wrote:It's been hashed out a lot already...no need to go through it again. Drafting for need is generally foolish. He was only the fourth rated prospect by one source (though 4 sounds high...but that's not the point...it could have been 1, it doesn't matter)...many NHL teams did not have him that high. Many teams had Pouliot higher than 22 or where ever, more than just Pittsburgh had him top-10. No one has a clue who Forsberg is (period) if not for that arbitrary number to the left of his name, same for Teravainen. If Pouliot had a 6 next to his name on one list and Forsberg has a 27, no one says anything...the arguments aren't based on talent analysis, they're based on an arbitrary number. Garbage in, garbage out.


:slowclap:
Rylan
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 15,995
Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:07 am
Location: Dead and Without Love

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby TheBigLebowski on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:25 am

Drafting for need is foolish. But when the prospects are close in ranking, take the player of need. Plus, Matta was a nice consolation prize at #22.
TheBigLebowski
Junior 'A'
Junior 'A'
 
Posts: 193
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:43 pm
Location: Walter Sobchak's House

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby MRandall25 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:27 am

TheBigLebowski wrote:Drafting for need is foolish.


Um, what? That what the entire draft is for.
MRandall25
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,716
Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:11 pm
Location: BOBROVSKY!!!

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby mikey287 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:39 am

TheBigLebowski wrote:Drafting for need is foolish. But when the prospects are close in ranking, take the player of need. Plus, Matta was a nice consolation prize at #22.


They were not that close in ranking on the Penguins list. So, they didn't pick that guy.
mikey287
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 17,107
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:40 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA - @MichaelFarkasHF

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby Godric on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:40 am

MRandall25 wrote:
TheBigLebowski wrote:Drafting for need is foolish.


Um, what? That what the entire draft is for.


Most generally, drafting the best player avaliable regardless of position and roster needs is the best business
Godric
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 6,240
Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:19 am
Location: Switch the style up and if they hate, let em hate and watch the money pile up

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby Rylan on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:53 am

BPA is better period. When you draft for need you either end up reaching or glossing over flaws to sell yourself on said player. When this happens you end up missing far more than you hit.
Rylan
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 15,995
Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:07 am
Location: Dead and Without Love

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby MRandall25 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:54 am

Godric wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:
TheBigLebowski wrote:Drafting for need is foolish.


Um, what? That what the entire draft is for.


Most generally, drafting the best player avaliable regardless of position and roster needs is the best business


"The best player available", as mikey has pointed out, is extremely subjective.

Typically, if you don't want to ruin your team, you draft what you need, and you take the best guy at what you need (especially if you're in the Pens' position and don't really have many high draft picks).
MRandall25
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,716
Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:11 pm
Location: BOBROVSKY!!!

Re: What if there is no season and we get the 1st pick

Postby mikey287 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:00 am

Needs are current. Draft picks are prospective NHLers. They aren't congruent. You can't draft for need, unless you plan on not fixing your need for years...you can supplement your pipeline and development systems with an adequate balance of players, but to actively ignore better talent to get a player that very likely will never play an NHL game (Teravainen, for instance) is just a bad plan. You draft the player you feel is the best mix of talent/potential/likelihood of achievement.
mikey287
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 17,107
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:40 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA - @MichaelFarkasHF

Next

Return to Pittsburgh Penguins

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

e-mail