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Re: Oscars Of The Oscars

Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy on Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:38 pm

MWB wrote:How does one judge the director of a film? Overall flow of a movie?


I went with films where the plot or the theme wasn't immense but the performance of the actors/feel of the film were tremendous.

which actually probably doesn't make sense considering I put Schindler's List on there.

I don't think I can articulate it, I just chose movies that feel the best directed.
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Re: Oscars Of The Oscars

Postby tifosi77 on Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:41 pm

How the director framed a shot, what lens they chose for a shot, pacing, color palate, technical innovation, etc. The level of acting performances is another metric. Also bear in mind, the entire look, feel and sound of the film is down the director saying 'yes' or 'no' to the various craftsmen in the crew. When a set designer wins an award, that's also a nod to the director. When an editor wins an award, that's also a nod to the director. When the composer wins an award for the score..... you get the idea.
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Re: Oscars Of The Oscars

Postby meecrofilm on Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:57 pm

MWB wrote:How does one judge the director of a film? Overall flow of a movie?


A lot of factors to consider. I think some of the time a lot of the credit that people give solely to directors should really be somewhat shared with editors or cinematographers. Or even the Special Effects teams (what up, Life of Pi).

For me, the biggest things are, how well does the movie capture the scope it wishes to present? Is the director's vision clear, and did they achieve what they were trying to say, if anything (for instance, the LoTR movies certainly have a great epic feel to them, which they were clearly going for). Also, flow and sense as it pertains to plot is a big one, especially since directors technically have final say on the screenplay (for example, Alexander Payne re-wrote the majority of Bob Nelson's script for Nebraska).

A big one I feel like largely overlooked for some reason is, how good is the acting in the movie? How do the scenes develop? The main purpose of the director, when it all comes down to it, is to "direct" the actors and the scenes. Now, obviously all actors are not created equal, but it's usually not a coincidence when you look at a good director's work and find that the majority of the performances in them are uniformly excellent (again, Alex Payne comes to mind, since I think he's one of the best in this regard working right now, even if his films on the whole are a varying degree of quality). Obviously that's not the end-all be-all in judging the direction of a movie, but it is important.

It does bug me sometimes when people are raving about a particular performance, but there's nary a mention of the director. The best recent example I can come up for this is The Theory of Everything, where you have an actor in Eddie Redmayne who by and large has put in mediocre work in his career this far, turning in a very good performance. You gotta give the director some credit there too.

Edit: and yeah. Basically what Tif said -- he's more concise anyway. :lol:
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Re: Oscars Of The Oscars

Postby meecrofilm on Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:02 pm

tifosi77 wrote:How the director framed a shot, what lens they chose for a shot, pacing, color palate, technical innovation, etc. The level of acting performances is another metric. Also bear in mind, the entire look, feel and sound of the film is down the director saying 'yes' or 'no' to the various craftsmen in the crew. When a set designer wins an award, that's also a nod to the director. When an editor wins an award, that's also a nod to the director. When the composer wins an award for the score..... you get the idea.


That reminds me of a good Grantland piece from a little while back about Chris Nolan and Hans Zimmer: http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospect ... hollywood/
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Re: Oscars Of The Oscars

Postby newarenanow on Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:02 pm

BEST PICTURE

Gone with the Wind
Schindlers List
Casablanca
The Godfather
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Re: Oscars Of The Oscars

Postby shmenguin on Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:36 pm

the two towers is a good watch. it is, however, objectively worse than the other 2. classic MIMH contrived non-conformism.
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Re: Oscars Of The Oscars

Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy on Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:39 pm

MalkinIsMyHomeboy wrote:if you want to use online ratings as a measure:

IMDB - Fellowship 8.8, Two Towers 8.8, ROTK 8.9
Rotten Tomatoes - Fellowship 91%, Two Towers 96%, ROTK 95%

saying anything is "clear" is stupid. They're all extremely highly rated films


clearly you guys are in the minority for thinking it's the worst of the 3
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Re: Oscars Of The Oscars

Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy on Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:43 pm

bringing it to the Movie thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=38697&start=21025#p2963940
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Re: Oscars Of The Oscars

Postby tifosi77 on Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:21 pm

Best Actor:
Humphrey Bogart, 'The African Queen'
Marlon Brando, 'On The Waterfront'
Gregory Peck, 'To Kill A Mockingbird'
Gene Hackman, 'The French Connection'
Marlon Brando, 'The Godfather'
Robert De Niro, 'Raging Bull'
Ben Kingsley, 'Gandhi'
Daniel Day-Lewis, 'My Left Foot'
Anthony Hopkins, 'The Silence Of The Lambs'
Kevin Spacey, 'American Beauty'

Best Supporting Actor:
Walter Huston, 'The Treasure Of The Sierra Madre'
George Kennedy, 'Cool Hand Luke'
Robert De Niro, 'The Godfather Part II'
Christopher Walken, 'The Deer Hunter'
John Gielgud. 'Arthur'
Sean Connery, 'The Untouchables'
Gene Hackman, 'Unforgiven'
Alan Arkin, 'Little Miss Sunshine'
Heath Ledger, 'The Dark Knight'
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Re: Oscars Of The Oscars

Postby Troy Loney on Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:42 pm

I kept all my nominations to movies/performances that I've seen.

Best Picture
Schindler's List
Gandhi
The Godfather
The Sting
The Deer Hunter
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Best Actor
Gregory Peck - To Kill a Mockingbird
Ben Kinglsey - Gandhi
Marlon Brando - The Godfather
Jack Nicholson - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Anthony Hopkins - Silence of the Lambs
Daniel Day Lewis - My Left Foot

Best Actress
Diane Keaton - Annie Hall
Cher - Moonstruck
Frances McDormand - Fargo
Cate Blanchett - Blue Jasmine
Ellen Burstyn - Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore

Best Supporting Actor
Robert Deniro - Godfather Part II
Joe Peschi - Goodfellas
Christoph Waltz - Inglorious Bastards
Jared Leto - Dallas Buyer's Club

Best Supporting Actress
Octavia Spencer - The Help
Juliette Binoche - The English Patient
Brenda Fricker - My Left Foot
Donna Reed - From Here to Eternity
Jo Van Fleet - East of Eden

Best Director
Alejandro González Iñárritu - Birdman
Steven Spielberg - Schindler's List
Woody Allen - Annie Hall
Francis Ford Coppola - The Godfather Part II
Billy Wilder - The Apartment
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Re: Oscars Of The Oscars

Postby tifosi77 on Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:45 pm

Troy Loney wrote:Christoph Waltz - Inglorious Bastards

I'm glad you included this, I was torn on whether or not put this on my list.
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Re: Oscars Of The Oscars

Postby Troy Loney on Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:49 pm

Looking at those winners was eye opening.

I didn't realize that Tom Hanks won best actor in back to back years.

The late 90's and early 2000's had some really weak best picture winners.

Helen Hunt winning for As Good as it Gets is amazing. She's terrible in everything, and her accent in that is unbearable.
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Re: Oscars Of The Oscars

Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy on Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:51 pm

oh I didn't know we were doing Supporting roles too


I would give Waltz that award right now
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Re: Oscars Of The Oscars

Postby tifosi77 on Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:54 pm

Yes, it's all four acting categories (lead and supporting for male and female), directing and picture. Past winners in the respective categories, only.
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