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Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby count2infinity on Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:58 pm

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 1-16-49-49

I really wish he wouldn't... what ground does the state have to stand on? Because of the money being taken from a state school and distributed outside the state?
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby Kovy27 on Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:16 pm

Looks like he's really busy worrying about important stuff!
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby viva la ben on Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:18 pm

Corbett is a flunky.
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby Hockeynut! on Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:12 pm

What a waste of time. Corbett should focus on the state and not worry about college sports.
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby Lt. Dish on Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:42 pm

Kathleen Kane's cornerstone of her campaign was that she would launch investigations as to why Corbett (arguably*) sat on the Sandusky investigation for 3 years. I suppose looking into whether or not the NCAA had any jurisdiction in sanctioning PSU is part of this. I'm interested in seeing how this unfolds.

*I think he did, as does Kane, but I know not everyone agrees, and that's as political as I'm willing to get. :D

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... _kane.html
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby blackjack68 on Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:57 pm

Lt. Dish wrote:Kathleen Kane's cornerstone of her campaign was that she would launch investigations as to why Corbett (arguably*) sat on the Sandusky investigation for 3 years. I suppose looking into whether or not the NCAA had any jurisdiction in sanctioning PSU is part of this. I'm interested in seeing how this unfolds.

*I think he did, as does Kane, but I know not everyone agrees, and that's as political as I'm willing to get. :D

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... _kane.html


I agree. He's got a set on him. He should be facing ethics investigations and should let this fade.

And i'm a Republican.
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby Rocco on Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:07 pm

This will end with the NCAA agreeing to keep more of PSU's money in PA. The NCAA doesn't want to have people testifying under oath either in court or before Congress, and if PA had the stomach for this fight they'd have gone to the mattresses sooner.
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby Pavel Bure on Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:11 pm

Rocco wrote:This will end with the case being thrown out.

FYP
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby shafnutz05 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:17 pm

Pavel Bure wrote:
Rocco wrote:This will end with the case being thrown out.

FYP


This is hardly true. The state of Pennsylvania has a solid chance of winning this lawsuit. They have pretty sturdy legal ground, it's going to come down to the jurists.

http://deadspin.com/5972474/the-state-of-pennsylvania-plans-to-sue-the-ncaa-over-penn-state-sanctions-and-it-has-a-good-chance-to-win

The Associated Press almost says but doesn't say that the suit will have something to do with the NCAA's nationwide disbursement of Penn State's $60 million fine. Pennsylvania legislators had hoped the money, to fight child abuse, would be spent in the state. But Sports Illustrated's Pete Thamel, who broke the story, says that the suit would likely "transcend" that issue. We anticipate a similar transcendence. That's a political matter, one that could probably be fixed through negotiation.

It's the large-scale competitive sanctions against Penn State, though, which constitute a potential overstepping of the NCAA's powers. The state could argue that, 2012 success aside, Penn State's scholarship cuts, fine, and bowl bans make it more difficult for the university to recruit students, donors, and faculty. The courts might construe that as an illegal restraint of trade—the Supreme Court ruled in NCAA v. Board of Regents of University of Oklahoma that the association can't regulate big business.

All that said, the complication lingering near Pennsylvania's case is the same one that could have thwarted a potential Penn State case: Do jurists really want to strike down sanctions—however excessive and opportunist—that nominally punish child abuse and the coverup thereof? The NCAA is nothing if not supremely canny.
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby llipgh2 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:30 pm

Kovy27 wrote:Looks like he's really busy putting up a smoke screen and hoping Kane doesn't launch an investigation into his foot dragging on this!


Fixed.
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby Rocco on Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:31 pm

Pavel Bure wrote:
Rocco wrote:This will end with the case being thrown out.

FYP


Had I wanted to write that, I'm more than capable of writing that. It's entirely possible it gets tossed, though I'm assuming that PA figured out a way to argue they had standing before going through all the trouble of filing suit. Should it fail, PA's congressmen (who wrote letters to the NCAA) can always find a subcommittee to hold a hearing and make life uncomfortable for the NCAA.
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby Rocco on Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:42 pm

At the very least, the smugness from the suit will be amusing.

Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel
Corbett:"These sanctions are an attack on past, present and future students of Penn State, the citizens of our commonwealth and our economy"


Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel
Corbett:"The NCAA and its president, Mark Emmert, seized upon the opportunity for publicity for their own benefit."Hmm, gov, sound familiar?


Not to be outdone, the NCAA wraps itself in Sandusky's victims when responding.

Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel
NCAA also says PA suit is "an affront to all the victims in this tragedy." https://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/pu ... e+decision
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby MRandall25 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:47 pm

Political move. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby thepittman on Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:48 pm

Rocco wrote:At the very least, the smugness from the suit will be amusing.

Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel
Corbett:"These sanctions are an attack on past, present and future students of Penn State, the citizens of our commonwealth and our economy"


Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel
Corbett:"The NCAA and its president, Mark Emmert, seized upon the opportunity for publicity for their own benefit."Hmm, gov, sound familiar?


Not to be outdone, the NCAA wraps itself in Sandusky's victims when responding.

Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel
NCAA also says PA suit is "an affront to all the victims in this tragedy." https://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/pu ... e+decision

This has nothing to do with the Victims
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby Bioshock on Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:08 pm

Never sue if you have something to hide, and the PA governor has a lot to hide. This won't end well for him and i look forward to that.
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby AlexPKeaton on Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:09 pm

Burn NCAA burn. Yeah, this is like rooting for Stalin over Hitler, but still, it is Hitler so I don't really care what happens to them.
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby Hockeynut! on Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:01 pm

Bioshock wrote:Never sue if you have something to hide, and the PA governor has a lot to hide. This won't end well for him and i look forward to that.


We can only hope. Corbett is a scumbag of the first degree. I would love to see his political career go down in flames.
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby thepittman on Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:03 pm

Can someone point me to where all of the hate for Corbett is stemming from?
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby Shyster on Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:17 pm

Has anyone seen a link to a copy of the actual complaint?
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby Lt. Dish on Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:06 pm

thepittman wrote:Can someone point me to where all of the hate for Corbett is stemming from?


Some oft-cited arguments posed by critics, presented in general:

His slashing state education (at all levels), programs for low-income workers, environmental protection was arguably egregious. Meanwhile, funds have been redirected to state police and corrections (w/re the war on drugs in particular), shale drilling, and corporate-interests. He's considered to be completely owned by the coal, oil, and gas industries. Many also claim governmental overreach at much of the new legislation signed into law. He is a vocal opponent of same-sex marriage (not surprising) and was a vocal supporter of rushing through the voter ID legislation in time for the recent election. This past August, Corbett's approval rating dropped to 28% and has been averaging in mid-30s since.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... ett_1.html

http://www.npr.org/2011/03/21/134726232 ... Budget-Gap

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/20 ... r-prisons/

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... tts_1.html

(From Reuters) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/1 ... 36341.html

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/0 ... -into-law/
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby DudeMan2766 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:14 pm

thepittman wrote:Can someone point me to where all of the hate for Corbett is stemming from?


He's a politician for one thing...
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby Rocco on Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:47 pm

Shyster wrote:Has anyone seen a link to a copy of the actual complaint?


http://a.espncdn.com/photo/pdf/2013/130 ... it_psu.pdf
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:47 pm

Lt. Dish wrote:
thepittman wrote:Can someone point me to where all of the hate for Corbett is stemming from?


Some oft-cited arguments posed by critics, presented in general:

His slashing state education (at all levels), programs for low-income workers, environmental protection was arguably egregious. Meanwhile, funds have been redirected to state police and corrections (w/re the war on drugs in particular), shale drilling, and corporate-interests. He's considered to be completely owned by the coal, oil, and gas industries. Many also claim governmental overreach at much of the new legislation signed into law. He is a vocal opponent of same-sex marriage (not surprising) and was a vocal supporter of rushing through the voter ID legislation in time for the recent election. This past August, Corbett's approval rating dropped to 28% and has been averaging in mid-30s since.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... ett_1.html

http://www.npr.org/2011/03/21/134726232 ... Budget-Gap

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/20 ... r-prisons/

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... tts_1.html

(From Reuters) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/1 ... 36341.html

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/0 ... -into-law/



Thats not all true, a lot is a spin, especially on the school cuts and where they came from. The voter id law, dont get me started. He has done some things with the oil and coal etc to promote drilling that everybody blasts him for (maybe rightfully so on the environment) but then Obama comes to Pittsburgh and uses it in a speech as how a city is supposed to regrow and states what a great example we are (oil, gas and corporate tax breaks in the city and surrounding counties). Irony at its finest. Especially since the oil and gas types where in PA long before Corbett even sniffed office.

Also, I tried to search but couldnt find it. The post gazette ran an opinion article from the psychiatrist who handled the victims (children) in the PSU scandal. She heavily endorsed the way Corbett handled the PSU case and stated how in her experiences the delays, the time it takes to build a case that sticks, especially one with a lack of pure physical evidence can be nightmarish - especially the part dealing with the kids and their testimony.

Not saying she is correct, but it seems the witch hunt on Corbett for not providing a witch hunt on Sandusky an instead building a case might be just that. A witch hunt by the less informed national media trying to make a splash and only providing interviews with half of the side of the story.

Btw - your first link, you may want to read the entire article, not just the first paragraphs. It goes into detail on all of the laws he put into place, its a very good read and not much of a knock on him at all, once you get past the quote from the liberal professor which I am sure you read over and over again. It also states how after all the work he has done and laws passed his approval rating is growing. Might want to reread the entire article because it pretty much goes against why you posted it

Your second link, well that is a transcript from an NPR chat, it has no statistics, just two people chatting? EVIDENCE!

Your third link has no numbers, just someone says that the money that was slashed from school was redirected at prisons and some stats on PA and their crime. How much money was redirected? Why was it redirected? And was it really redirected or is that just a nice way to put it to make it sound worse?

Your fourth link is from almost 2 years ago and guesses on what would happen and all be damned: it gives numbers your third link misses....but also give reasons. PA has to send its inmates to VA and MD, wonder if there is a cost to doing that? Hmmmmm, the article doesnt mention that.

.....and on and on. Did you just google "Why Corbett Sucks" ?

Everything you posted was from before when he was talking about his plans. Not after. For the record I dont really care all that much for him as a governor but things seem to be going all right in PA right now.
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:51 pm

Bioshock wrote:Never sue if you have something to hide, and the PA governor has a lot to hide. This won't end well for him and i look forward to that.


Since you seem to know can you tell me exactly what he is hiding? More or less than fast Eddie? The same? Im just curious, since he has so much to hide, assuming you are referring to a case that got national attention on every outlet from news to sports to gossip and it was over a year ago....and nothing has come of it so far, just wondering what you know that he is hiding that anyone else doesnt?

Thanks, appreciate it.
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Re: Governor sues NCAA over PSU sanctions

Postby JeffDFD on Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:26 pm

Im not really following this thread well and where all the opinions are coming from...as the governor of the state...the state gives a lot of money to PSU...and NCAA comes in and says give us 60 million. That's a lot of freaking money for the NCAA to just demand and taking the money from PSU's budget certainly hurts current and future PSU students and, ultimately, the state who funds the college.

What am I missing? If the state feels the NCAA is out of line and them asking for 60 mill from PSU is like them basically saying, "hey PA - give us 60 mill" - why wouldn't the governor or anyone else in authority to do so look into further and come to the conclusion that "hey, the taxpayers of PA shouldn't be giving the NCAA 60 million."

Now if a court awards victims damages for criminal/civil purposes then OK, that is different...but why should money go to the NCAA?

Punish the football program, fine - take scholarships, remove bowl games...that sends a message (although you can argue it still does nothing to punish those responsible and hurts current innocent players - I agree with the angle that the football program in general needs taken down a few notches as it obviously is not above the law). But I don't see attacking the state funded budget.

Admittedly, I am not 100% up on everything - is the 60 mill only to come from football operations? Does the NCAA typically do this to other schools that have some sort of violation? What about in this case where it really is a criminal proceeding and not an "NCAA" violation. Am I missing something? Politics aside, where does the NCAA have the authority to institute such large fines? I can see withholding NCAA privileges that would bring in money for the school (bowl games)...the NCAA is mad at you - the NCAA can take their ball and leave. Does this all have to do with their published guidelines ? Do schools willingly waive their rights in this regard and say they will be open to the NCAA fining them if they wish to participate in the NCAA?

Someone help me here
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