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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby Puck-Lurker on Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:30 pm

LimerickPensFan wrote:
ville5 wrote:Anyone else get hurt??? WBS Pens twitter has posted that Lafferty has been recalled.
nm, forgot HornQ.

[...]
Marino moved up to first pair with Dumo.
Riikola skating on off-side with Johnson on third pair.

I'm scared.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby Daniel on Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:23 pm

Puck-Lurker wrote:
LimerickPensFan wrote:
ville5 wrote:Anyone else get hurt??? WBS Pens twitter has posted that Lafferty has been recalled.
nm, forgot HornQ.

[...]
Marino moved up to first pair with Dumo.
Riikola skating on off-side with Johnson on third pair.

I'm scared.


In all fairness, who else do you put there? I think Dumoulin/Marino and Pettersson/Schultz is better than Dumoulin/Schultz and Pettersson/Marino.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby LimerickPensFan on Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:43 pm

Daniel wrote:
Puck-Lurker wrote:
LimerickPensFan wrote:
ville5 wrote:Anyone else get hurt??? WBS Pens twitter has posted that Lafferty has been recalled.
nm, forgot HornQ.

[...]
Marino moved up to first pair with Dumo.
Riikola skating on off-side with Johnson on third pair.

I'm scared.


In all fairness, who else do you put there? I think Dumoulin/Marino and Pettersson/Schultz is better than Dumoulin/Schultz and Pettersson/Marino.

I'm thinking he was looking at the third pairing...
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby sjnhiils on Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:22 pm

Letang is "week to week" according to Sullivan.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby flame on Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:45 pm

Crosby injury news should come Monday. DK reported he left the arena with a slight limp and wasn't in a boot or brace. Hopefully he won't miss much (or any) time
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby Puck-Lurker on Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:36 am

Daniel wrote:
Puck-Lurker wrote:
LimerickPensFan wrote:
ville5 wrote:Anyone else get hurt??? WBS Pens twitter has posted that Lafferty has been recalled.
nm, forgot HornQ.

[...]
Marino moved up to first pair with Dumo.
Riikola skating on off-side with Johnson on third pair.

I'm scared.


In all fairness, who else do you put there? I think Dumoulin/Marino and Pettersson/Schultz is better than Dumoulin/Schultz and Pettersson/Marino.

That, is the part to be scared about. We're running 3 flawed pairs to not have one disastrous pair.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby flame on Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:35 am

According to Rossi Crosby has a sports hernia and if he has surgery will be out 4 to 6 weeks.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/rep ... g-surgery/
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby johnnews on Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:57 am

flame wrote:According to Rossi Crosby has a sports hernia and if he has surgery will be out 4 to 6 weeks.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/rep ... g-surgery/


Just get it done now, don't mess around with it.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:25 am

flame wrote:According to Rossi Crosby has a sports hernia and if he has surgery will be out 4 to 6 weeks.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/rep ... g-surgery/

Makes sense. DK was saying Crosby flew to Philly yesterday to see a core specialist.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby Penspal on Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:37 am

According to DK, he saw a specialist in Philly to make sure that the core injury, which MAY be a sport hernia, is accurately diagnosed and looking at treatment options.

Regardless of the specifics, not good news at all.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby KG on Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:40 am

flame wrote:According to Rossi Crosby has a sports hernia and if he has surgery will be out 4 to 6 weeks.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/rep ... g-surgery/


Fabulous....at least he will be fresh for the playoffs! hopefully :scared:
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby penny lane on Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:55 am

Sid will fly all over looking for the opinion he wants to hear. Like others have said-get the best Doc, get it done.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby sjnhiils on Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:32 pm

Time for Malkin to step up. Certainly will have a ripple effect on all 4 lines.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:57 pm

If Crosby is out a minimum of a month (and, if the stories are true, he should definitely have the surgery ASAP), I'd look to make a deal. I don't think it is a knee jerk reaction. Consider the following:

To start the season, Malkin, Rust, Bjugstad, and Galchenyuk were all out of the lineup. The team survived ok, but should still be a bit higher in the standings.
Now, the team has Crosby, Hornqvist, and Letang out for a longer period of time.

Malkin and Rust are fine, but, Bjugstad and Galchenyuk aren't pulling their weight at all. This just puts more pressure on Malkin, Guentzel, and McCann to lead this team. With guys like BJugstad, Galchenyuk, ZAR, Simon, Tanev, and Blueger not scoring much, this team is going to struggle. I like Simon, but, this is a spot where his inability to finish becomes a bigger issue. ZAR, Simon, Tanev and Blueger each have more goals than Galchenyuk and Bjugstad at this point.

Making a deal this early would be hard, and a deal for the sake of making a deal isn't going to help. There have been a lot of rumors about Fiala, but I think he is too inconsistent and an unknown gamble at this point. There have been rumors of Taylor Hall, which would be great if the cost wasn't too high (which it likely will be).

I'd try and see if the Rangers are willing to part with Kreider, whose name has been out there in the rumor mill. He has some speed, has been a usually consistent 20 goal guy, and would likely fit in with the Penguins style of play. As a pending UFA, his cost shouldn't be astronomical, but not cheap either. I'd really like someone to be enamored with Galchenyuk being 25 and having 30 and 20 goal seasons in the past and want to take him. I'd be all over a Kreider for Galchenyuk, pick and a prospect type deal if it were possible.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby dark_forces on Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:08 pm

Anything interesting to share from the latest TIOPS article?
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:18 pm

dark_forces wrote:Anything interesting to share from the latest TIOPS article?

Not much. He just says a bit of what I said above, that losing Crosby for 1-2 months is much different than some of the other guys they have lost. He says opposing coaches don't fear Malkin as much anymore.

He also says the coaches have been trying to take some of the harder, defensive minute away from Crosby, which is why we've seen more of the Blueger-Tanev-ZAR line of late.

Talked about how Bjugstad and Galchenyuk have done nothing, talked about how McCann is a different 5v5 player at center vs wing.

Mentioned Letang being injured more than short term, again.

Talked about Bryan Rust drawing lots of rave reviews, and that whatever he worked on and trained this summer is really paying off.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby dark_forces on Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:24 pm

FLPensFan wrote:
dark_forces wrote:Anything interesting to share from the latest TIOPS article?

Not much. He just says a bit of what I said above, that losing Crosby for 1-2 months is much different than some of the other guys they have lost. He says opposing coaches don't fear Malkin as much anymore.

He also says the coaches have been trying to take some of the harder, defensive minute away from Crosby, which is why we've seen more of the Blueger-Tanev-ZAR line of late.

Talked about how Bjugstad and Galchenyuk have done nothing, talked about how McCann is a different 5v5 player at center vs wing.

Mentioned Letang being injured more than short term, again.

Talked about Bryan Rust drawing lots of rave reviews, and that whatever he worked on and trained this summer is really paying off.


Thank you. I guess a lighter day over at that site. I could very much see Galchenyuk and Bjugstad being swapped out for 2 different types of forwards near the deadline.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby Daniel on Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:32 pm

FLPensFan wrote:If Crosby is out a minimum of a month (and, if the stories are true, he should definitely have the surgery ASAP), I'd look to make a deal. I don't think it is a knee jerk reaction. Consider the following:

To start the season, Malkin, Rust, Bjugstad, and Galchenyuk were all out of the lineup. The team survived ok, but should still be a bit higher in the standings.
Now, the team has Crosby, Hornqvist, and Letang out for a longer period of time.

Malkin and Rust are fine, but, Bjugstad and Galchenyuk aren't pulling their weight at all. This just puts more pressure on Malkin, Guentzel, and McCann to lead this team. With guys like BJugstad, Galchenyuk, ZAR, Simon, Tanev, and Blueger not scoring much, this team is going to struggle. I like Simon, but, this is a spot where his inability to finish becomes a bigger issue. ZAR, Simon, Tanev and Blueger each have more goals than Galchenyuk and Bjugstad at this point.

Making a deal this early would be hard, and a deal for the sake of making a deal isn't going to help. There have been a lot of rumors about Fiala, but I think he is too inconsistent and an unknown gamble at this point. There have been rumors of Taylor Hall, which would be great if the cost wasn't too high (which it likely will be).

I'd try and see if the Rangers are willing to part with Kreider, whose name has been out there in the rumor mill. He has some speed, has been a usually consistent 20 goal guy, and would likely fit in with the Penguins style of play. As a pending UFA, his cost shouldn't be astronomical, but not cheap either. I'd really like someone to be enamored with Galchenyuk being 25 and having 30 and 20 goal seasons in the past and want to take him. I'd be all over a Kreider for Galchenyuk, pick and a prospect type deal if it were possible.


I get that they'll need to make a trade, but I'd try Noesen (11 goals in 14 games holy crap), Haggerty, Miletic, Bellerive before doing anything too crazy with a trade. They're fine at center with Malkin, McCann, Bjugstad, Bleuger for now.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby sjnhiils on Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:16 pm

FLPensFan wrote:
dark_forces wrote:Anything interesting to share from the latest TIOPS article?

Not much. He just says a bit of what I said above, that losing Crosby for 1-2 months is much different than some of the other guys they have lost. He says opposing coaches don't fear Malkin as much anymore.

He also says the coaches have been trying to take some of the harder, defensive minute away from Crosby, which is why we've seen more of the Blueger-Tanev-ZAR line of late.

Talked about how Bjugstad and Galchenyuk have done nothing, talked about how McCann is a different 5v5 player at center vs wing.

Mentioned Letang being injured more than short term, again.

Talked about Bryan Rust drawing lots of rave reviews, and that whatever he worked on and trained this summer is really paying off.

Saw the first part about Pens scouts wanted "22 year old included". Were they talking about Dvorak or Garland?
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby ville5 on Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:53 pm

sjnhiils wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:
dark_forces wrote:Anything interesting to share from the latest TIOPS article?

Not much. He just says a bit of what I said above, that losing Crosby for 1-2 months is much different than some of the other guys they have lost. He says opposing coaches don't fear Malkin as much anymore.

He also says the coaches have been trying to take some of the harder, defensive minute away from Crosby, which is why we've seen more of the Blueger-Tanev-ZAR line of late.

Talked about how Bjugstad and Galchenyuk have done nothing, talked about how McCann is a different 5v5 player at center vs wing.

Mentioned Letang being injured more than short term, again.

Talked about Bryan Rust drawing lots of rave reviews, and that whatever he worked on and trained this summer is really paying off.

Saw the first part about Pens scouts wanted "22 year old included". Were they talking about Dvorak or Garland?

Says Galchenyuk was always going to be in the Kessel deal because Coyotes had to move salary. Also said the scouts pushed hard for Garland but management was focused on getting another young D.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby dark_forces on Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:05 pm

I wonder if anyone has ever kept a tab/mathematically evaluated popular NHL trade rumors sites (Eklund, TIOPS) to see the actual % of times they've been right, or even close. I wonder what that % would be.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:05 pm

dark_forces wrote:I wonder if anyone has ever kept a tab/mathematically evaluated popular NHL trade rumors sites (Eklund, TIOPS) to see the actual % of times they've been right, or even close. I wonder what that % would be.

Single digit percentage.....guaranteed.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby johnnews on Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:14 am

FLPensFan wrote:
dark_forces wrote:I wonder if anyone has ever kept a tab/mathematically evaluated popular NHL trade rumors sites (Eklund, TIOPS) to see the actual % of times they've been right, or even close. I wonder what that % would be.

Single digit percentage.....guaranteed.


I'll take the under.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby pens_CT on Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:38 am

ville5 wrote:
sjnhiils wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:
dark_forces wrote:Anything interesting to share from the latest TIOPS article?

Not much. He just says a bit of what I said above, that losing Crosby for 1-2 months is much different than some of the other guys they have lost. He says opposing coaches don't fear Malkin as much anymore.

He also says the coaches have been trying to take some of the harder, defensive minute away from Crosby, which is why we've seen more of the Blueger-Tanev-ZAR line of late.

Talked about how Bjugstad and Galchenyuk have done nothing, talked about how McCann is a different 5v5 player at center vs wing.

Mentioned Letang being injured more than short term, again.

Talked about Bryan Rust drawing lots of rave reviews, and that whatever he worked on and trained this summer is really paying off.

Saw the first part about Pens scouts wanted "22 year old included". Were they talking about Dvorak or Garland?

Says Galchenyuk was always going to be in the Kessel deal because Coyotes had to move salary. Also said the scouts pushed hard for Garland but management was focused on getting another young D.


At this point Kessel is on a twelve goal forty point pace, still better than Galchenyuk but not worth the 6.8 million cap hit. Best thing about the deal is the possibility of moving Galchenyuk at the deadline and opening more space for next season. If POJ ever makes a NHL contribution then it's an even better deal.
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Re: Penguins Infirmary Thread

Postby johnnews on Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:53 am

Posting this everyday until I win. Sid, have the surgery, ASAP. Can't play through a sports hernia an entire season, you'll just keep re-injuring. You'll be back 12/27 vs Nashville., maybe 12/20 vs Edmonton.
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