Skatingpen wrote:Guys, while I love your never ending attempt to fix this team, there are way to many issues that any trade will fix
FLPensFan wrote:Skatingpen wrote:Guys, while I love your never ending attempt to fix this team, there are way to many issues that any trade will fix
You are correct. No one trade or two trades that will fix the issues, but, one or two trades, combined with increased effort, can turn things around.
It's kind of interesting to me, and I didn't do it on purpose, that 3 of the trade targets I mentioned were all guys I thought they should have went after last year....Grabner and Bozak, and to a lesser extent, Athanisiou. There was mutual interest in Grabner, I know that for sure. The money he got is less than Bryan Rust and Carl Hagelin. So, not sure why it didn't work out. Only thing I can think of is at the time, Rutherford was so attached to Rust and wouldn't move Hagelin there was no room for Grabner. Also recall, Penguins had heavy interest in Domi, but reportedly wouldn't part with Rust and/or Simon.
Imagine this to start the season:
Guentzel-Crosby-Grabner
Domi-Malkin-Hornqvist
Hagelin-Brassard-Kessel
Sheahan-Cullen-Sprong
xGrant
It still wouldn't have solved the Cullen mistake, but that lineup adds youth, skill and speed, instead of adding age and not much skill.
Malkintent wrote:No way the Pens don't have better options for Seattle to draft than Johnson.
murphydump55 wrote:Malkintent wrote:No way the Pens don't have better options for Seattle to draft than Johnson.
But he has lots of hits and is nasty! And that’s why the Pens went out to get him. Plus we have Gonchar to fix his 13 year career! He’s just what this team needs! Just go back and read! We don’t know anything and GMJR knows all and doesn’t make any mistakes! Look at the YouTube links people posted of him being mean and hitting!
The guy sucks and I along with many others said it from the start. Only 4 more years to go!
murphydump55 wrote:Malkintent wrote:No way the Pens don't have better options for Seattle to draft than Johnson.
But he has lots of hits and is nasty! And that’s why the Pens went out to get him. Plus we have Gonchar to fix his 13 year career! He’s just what this team needs! Just go back and read! We don’t know anything and GMJR knows all and doesn’t make any mistakes! Look at the YouTube links people posted of him being mean and hitting!
The guy sucks and I along with many others said it from the start. Only 4 more years to go!
murphydump55 wrote:With the Blues reeling, would they move Parayko? Huge, slick skating, RH shot. He isn’t without his warts either but the upside is there. The problem is his contract. I’d move Maatta for him, but assume there would be more moving parts and/or money.
ville5 wrote:murphydump55 wrote:Malkintent wrote:No way the Pens don't have better options for Seattle to draft than Johnson.
But he has lots of hits and is nasty! And that’s why the Pens went out to get him. Plus we have Gonchar to fix his 13 year career! He’s just what this team needs! Just go back and read! We don’t know anything and GMJR knows all and doesn’t make any mistakes! Look at the YouTube links people posted of him being mean and hitting!
The guy sucks and I along with many others said it from the start. Only 4 more years to go!
Please do go back and read.
The guy that posted the youtube videos, me, never once said it was a good signing.
What I said, in the post right before the videos, was the first time he flattens Wilson like the vids, he'll be worth every penny.
But nice try.
ville5 wrote:murphydump55 wrote:Malkintent wrote:No way the Pens don't have better options for Seattle to draft than Johnson.
But he has lots of hits and is nasty! And that’s why the Pens went out to get him. Plus we have Gonchar to fix his 13 year career! He’s just what this team needs! Just go back and read! We don’t know anything and GMJR knows all and doesn’t make any mistakes! Look at the YouTube links people posted of him being mean and hitting!
The guy sucks and I along with many others said it from the start. Only 4 more years to go!
Please do go back and read.
The guy that posted the youtube videos, me, never once said it was a good signing.
What I said, in the post right before the videos, was the first time he flattens Wilson like the vids, he'll be worth every penny.
But nice try.
stonewizard51 wrote:IMHO we're seeing the effects of all those #1 draft picks given up for rentals that didn't work out. Lots of older players and not a lot of depth and the depth they have aren't getting a chance to prove themselves at the NHL level. Blueger is a good example.
murphydump55 wrote:ville5 wrote:murphydump55 wrote:Malkintent wrote:No way the Pens don't have better options for Seattle to draft than Johnson.
But he has lots of hits and is nasty! And that’s why the Pens went out to get him. Plus we have Gonchar to fix his 13 year career! He’s just what this team needs! Just go back and read! We don’t know anything and GMJR knows all and doesn’t make any mistakes! Look at the YouTube links people posted of him being mean and hitting!
The guy sucks and I along with many others said it from the start. Only 4 more years to go!
Please do go back and read.
The guy that posted the youtube videos, me, never once said it was a good signing.
What I said, in the post right before the videos, was the first time he flattens Wilson like the vids, he'll be worth every penny.
But nice try.
Maybe I wasn’t pertaining to you? But nice try.
murphydump55 wrote:With the Blues reeling, would they move Parayko? Huge, slick skating, RH shot. He isn’t without his warts either but the upside is there. The problem is his contract. I’d move Maatta for him, but assume there would be more moving parts and/or money.
FLPensFan wrote:stonewizard51 wrote:IMHO we're seeing the effects of all those #1 draft picks given up for rentals that didn't work out. Lots of older players and not a lot of depth and the depth they have aren't getting a chance to prove themselves at the NHL level. Blueger is a good example.
I'm really not so sure all those #1's matter as much as people think. With them being late round picks, they have a much lower success rate. Rutherford actually has a pretty good habit of trading for former #1 picks: Cole, Oleksiak, Johnson, Brassard, Kessel, Sheahan, Perron, Pearson....these are all players Rutherford acquired at some point, and they are all former 1st round picks. Much easier to let someone else take the chance, do the development, and then bring in the talent.
Plus, no sure bet that Sullivan would play said 1st round picks.
FLPensFan wrote:murphydump55 wrote:With the Blues reeling, would they move Parayko? Huge, slick skating, RH shot. He isn’t without his warts either but the upside is there. The problem is his contract. I’d move Maatta for him, but assume there would be more moving parts and/or money.
I'd say probably not, just because after Pietrangelo and Parayko, I don't think they have much else on defense. J-Bo is closer to retirement than anything. Edmunson, Gunnarsson, Schmaltz, Bortozzo....those guys are ok but not high end talent, and they don't have much in the minors either. I think if they make a move, it would be a forward or in goal.
GSdrums87 wrote:FLPensFan wrote:murphydump55 wrote:With the Blues reeling, would they move Parayko? Huge, slick skating, RH shot. He isn’t without his warts either but the upside is there. The problem is his contract. I’d move Maatta for him, but assume there would be more moving parts and/or money.
I'd say probably not, just because after Pietrangelo and Parayko, I don't think they have much else on defense. J-Bo is closer to retirement than anything. Edmunson, Gunnarsson, Schmaltz, Bortozzo....those guys are ok but not high end talent, and they don't have much in the minors either. I think if they make a move, it would be a forward or in goal.
Vince Dunn is the real deal. He's on their top PP as well.
thehockeyguru wrote:ville5 wrote:murphydump55 wrote:Malkintent wrote:No way the Pens don't have better options for Seattle to draft than Johnson.
But he has lots of hits and is nasty! And that’s why the Pens went out to get him. Plus we have Gonchar to fix his 13 year career! He’s just what this team needs! Just go back and read! We don’t know anything and GMJR knows all and doesn’t make any mistakes! Look at the YouTube links people posted of him being mean and hitting!
The guy sucks and I along with many others said it from the start. Only 4 more years to go!
Please do go back and read.
The guy that posted the youtube videos, me, never once said it was a good signing.
What I said, in the post right before the videos, was the first time he flattens Wilson like the vids, he'll be worth every penny.
But nice try.
I think that's the part that is infuriating a bit, I can't recall one person in the media let alone on this board who was of the opinion that the Pens were smart to sign JJ. Everyone said it was a terrible move and hated the idea except our GM.
Moving JJ will take a miracle
1 season ago Johnson played 82 games and was 5-18-23 and was a +23.
He still has skill and grit. He has never played on a team like this before with this much talent. It’s not like the cap hit is $6mill. Could be a bargain if he “gets to his game”.
One thing to take into account....that fancy advanced stats cannot....The man has been playing how many years now with this financial/family crisis over his head? One would think that with a new longterm contract he would be freed from the family/bankruptcy issues. Add to that, that he is coming to a first class organization where one of his best friends is team captain....can you say rejuvenated!
Similar to Murray losing his dad this season...there is a human element to the real game, not capology fantasy hockey.
Give the guy a chance.
Johnson would be solid addition, he is gritty defensman and blocks a lot of shots.. but he is also known to be blind on D a lot
For god sakes people give the guy 20 games before you crucify him. He isn't even a member of of this squad yet. This is nauseating. You put a seed in a radioactive environment it grows weak. Put it in a warm humid environment the seed flourishes. I don't really give a flying crap where he has played what he has done this is a new environment unlike anything before. Can we wait and see what is going to happen. Heaven forbid you ever can transplanted to a new job and people think of you this way.
So we get a talented guy to play bottom pair, and it fits our cap well. the term is a cost of doing business, and will be handled down the road.
I'm excited about the JJ signing.
I like the signing a lot
After thinking on it more, I think Jack will be fine in Pittsburgh. He'll play a lesser role with much less pressure than he's used to. He's always been an athletic, physical player and he's not hurting for motivation.
Passed the Sullivan, Gonchar and JR eye test. Good enough for me.
Guess we’ll see, Johnson is much better than hunwick and always was. He will be good here.
I guess I just disagree with all negative Jonhson comments. I see all the advanced stats posted on here, but I’m looking at his talent, skating ability and expecting the issues he’s experienced will be corrected by Gonch and the rest of the staff.
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