The search for the elusive 3C thread!

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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby bse on Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:59 pm

Owchar76 wrote:
100565 wrote:I was thinking more like Duclair for 2nd; Hagelin for Richardson -- with a B level prospect added by the Guins.

I do not think Duclair will fetch too much more than a 2nd, nor do I think Richardson is worth much as a rental.

I agree Richardson is injury prone; he is not a perfect choice for 3C. However, pickings are slim. Prices will be high for better 3Cs.


He's one season removed from a 20 goal 44 point rookie season. Yes he had a down season last year, but this year he's on a 22 goal pace. He's only 22 years old and is hardly a throw away away player.


But he has requested a trade, which limits his market value and his GMs ability to leverage
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby netwolf on Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:02 pm

Never even considered Tomas Plekanec, but Hooks_Orpik makes a case:

https://www.pensburgh.com/2018/1/10/168 ... iens-trade

Let's get crazy and and Pacioretty too?
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby Owchar76 on Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:11 pm

bse wrote:
Owchar76 wrote:
100565 wrote:I was thinking more like Duclair for 2nd; Hagelin for Richardson -- with a B level prospect added by the Guins.

I do not think Duclair will fetch too much more than a 2nd, nor do I think Richardson is worth much as a rental.

I agree Richardson is injury prone; he is not a perfect choice for 3C. However, pickings are slim. Prices will be high for better 3Cs.


He's one season removed from a 20 goal 44 point rookie season. Yes he had a down season last year, but this year he's on a 22 goal pace. He's only 22 years old and is hardly a throw away away player.


But he has requested a trade, which limits his market value and his GMs ability to leverage


I wasn't aware he requested a trade. I didn't read that anywhere, I just thought his name was being floated like many other players.
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby Owchar76 on Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:14 pm

netwolf wrote:Never even considered Tomas Plekanec, but Hooks_Orpik makes a case:

https://www.pensburgh.com/2018/1/10/168 ... iens-trade

Let's get crazy and and Pacioretty too?


6 million a season is bananas. Really have to hope that the Habs will eat a whole bunch. (not bananas)
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby Pruezy11881 on Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:16 pm

Owchar76 wrote:
netwolf wrote:Never even considered Tomas Plekanec, but Hooks_Orpik makes a case:

https://www.pensburgh.com/2018/1/10/168 ... iens-trade

Let's get crazy and and Pacioretty too?


6 million a season is bananas. Really have to hope that the Habs will eat a whole bunch. (not bananas)

He's UFA after this year so it may not be that bad.
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby Owchar76 on Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:46 pm

Pruezy11881 wrote:
Owchar76 wrote:
netwolf wrote:Never even considered Tomas Plekanec, but Hooks_Orpik makes a case:

https://www.pensburgh.com/2018/1/10/168 ... iens-trade

Let's get crazy and and Pacioretty too?


6 million a season is bananas. Really have to hope that the Habs will eat a whole bunch. (not bananas)

He's UFA after this year so it may not be that bad.


Yes, but he still has to fit under the Cap this year....have you seen our cap?
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby Pruezy11881 on Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:51 pm

Owchar76 wrote:
Pruezy11881 wrote:
Owchar76 wrote:
netwolf wrote:Never even considered Tomas Plekanec, but Hooks_Orpik makes a case:

https://www.pensburgh.com/2018/1/10/168 ... iens-trade

Let's get crazy and and Pacioretty too?


6 million a season is bananas. Really have to hope that the Habs will eat a whole bunch. (not bananas)

He's UFA after this year so it may not be that bad.


Yes, but he still has to fit under the Cap this year....have you seen our cap?

Don't forget that cap hit is smaller near deadline time. Plus the pens are carrying 14 forwards and 8 d, plus something is going to have to go the other way in the trade. Space could be made available.
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby Puck-Lurker on Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:13 pm

Owchar76 wrote:
Pruezy11881 wrote:
Owchar76 wrote:
netwolf wrote:Never even considered Tomas Plekanec, but Hooks_Orpik makes a case:

https://www.pensburgh.com/2018/1/10/168 ... iens-trade

Let's get crazy and and Pacioretty too?


6 million a season is bananas. Really have to hope that the Habs will eat a whole bunch. (not bananas)

He's UFA after this year so it may not be that bad.


Yes, but he still has to fit under the Cap this year....have you seen our cap?

Hmm.. good question. Where did we last see it?

I sent out a search party to go look for it.
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby Great58 on Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:18 am

Puck-Lurker wrote:
Owchar76 wrote:
Pruezy11881 wrote:
Owchar76 wrote:
netwolf wrote:Never even considered Tomas Plekanec, but Hooks_Orpik makes a case:

https://www.pensburgh.com/2018/1/10/168 ... iens-trade

Let's get crazy and and Pacioretty too?


6 million a season is bananas. Really have to hope that the Habs will eat a whole bunch. (not bananas)

He's UFA after this year so it may not be that bad.


Yes, but he still has to fit under the Cap this year....have you seen our cap?

Hmm.. good question. Where did we last see it?

I sent out a search party to go look for it.
Spoiler:
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Think I found where we last put it on the ice

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Hey look, a Cap on his wallet.
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby BurghThing on Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:05 pm

That's funny, most people in DC are in other people's wallets
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby Mango Salsa on Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:44 pm

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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby pekkasteele on Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:56 pm

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I heard he is in the best shape of his life!
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby DelPen on Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:41 pm

Plekanec has a 53% face off win and plays 2:20 SH per game.

Hags, Cole and swap our 1st for their 2nd unless we miss the playoffs then it turns into a 3rd. Would that be enough?
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby Jim on Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:06 pm

DelPen wrote:Plekanec has a 53% face off win and plays 2:20 SH per game.

Hags, Cole and swap our 1st for their 2nd unless we miss the playoffs then it turns into a 3rd. Would that be enough?


Maybe just Hagelin and Cole. This is not the Plekanec of 2 years ago. He is only a small offensive upgrade over Hagelin. It would be a 3rd line winger for a better 3rd line center at the additional cost of Cole.

The Pens 1st should not be in play for the 2018 version of Plekanec.
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby FLPensFan on Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:48 pm

Jim wrote:
DelPen wrote:Plekanec has a 53% face off win and plays 2:20 SH per game.

Hags, Cole and swap our 1st for their 2nd unless we miss the playoffs then it turns into a 3rd. Would that be enough?


Maybe just Hagelin and Cole. This is not the Plekanec of 2 years ago. He is only a small offensive upgrade over Hagelin. It would be a 3rd line winger for a better 3rd line center at the additional cost of Cole.

The Pens 1st should not be in play for the 2018 version of Plekanec.

Agreed. I would not give up a 1st in any deal for Plekanec. Cap considerations aside, Plekanec for a 2nd would be a fair deal......so Cole and Hagelin would simply be for cap reasons. More like Plekanec and a 2nd for Cole and Hagelin.

Plekanec is pretty far down the list IMO of 3C Iwould want to acquire. Offense is what they need at 3C to be dangerous. They have Sheahan for defense. They need more, they can bench Reaves and put Rowney in at RW for extra PK and faceoff help.

This team needs a 3C that can allow them to generate offense with Kessel on a 3rd line.
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby Jim on Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:53 am

I agree that Plekanec would possibly not even be in the top-10 of rumored names out there for the Pens to target... in a vacuum... but aquisition cost and cap implications etc etc etc... those really change the order of target.
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby sjnhiils on Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:50 am

Don't know if he has been mentioned but what about Zetterberg? He might want to finish his career in Detroit but maybe he would also like to win one more Cup. Detroit would be happy to get rid of his contract because by the time they are competitive again he would be retiring anyway. Send them Hagelin and a pick and have Detroit retain some salary.
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby Jim on Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:25 am

Detroit is at the cap too, so retaining salary is probably not on the table for them. I understand there is a $2M difference between Hagelin and Zetterberg, but they are still screwed by the Weiss mess, so $2M more dead cap space thru 20-21 would really stink for them.

For the Pens, 3 more years at $6.1M, taking him into 40 hears old... Very high risk compared to other $6M cap hits. Potential high reward... but a serious roll of the dice. $4.1M would be better (obviously) but I just don't see Detroit doing that.
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby ville5 on Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:31 am

How much retention would it take to have interest in Andrew Shaw?
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby DelPen on Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:05 pm

ville5 wrote:How much retention would it take to have interest in Andrew Shaw?

At least half.
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby Jim on Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:19 pm

ville5 wrote:How much retention would it take to have interest in Andrew Shaw?


Depends on the deal. I'd be willing to do Shaw for Hagelin straight up, ha! $3.9M for Shaw is much better than $6M for some of the other names being discussed.

26 years old, PKer, very nice FO% (although low #), not opposed to contact, potential 40 point guy, maybe more with Kessel...
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby pens_CT on Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:31 pm

Jim wrote:
ville5 wrote:How much retention would it take to have interest in Andrew Shaw?


Depends on the deal. I'd be willing to do Shaw for Hagelin straight up, ha! $3.9M for Shaw is much better than $6M for some of the other names being discussed.

26 years old, PKer, very nice FO% (although low #), not opposed to contact, potential 40 point guy, maybe more with Kessel...


You are going to have to add from the Penguins side to make such a deal. Nobody is making a one for one trade involving Hagelin unless you are getting an equally bad contract coming back.
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby Jim on Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:06 pm

pens_CT wrote:
Jim wrote:
ville5 wrote:How much retention would it take to have interest in Andrew Shaw?


Depends on the deal. I'd be willing to do Shaw for Hagelin straight up, ha! $3.9M for Shaw is much better than $6M for some of the other names being discussed.

26 years old, PKer, very nice FO% (although low #), not opposed to contact, potential 40 point guy, maybe more with Kessel...


You are going to have to add from the Penguins side to make such a deal. Nobody is making a one for one trade involving Hagelin unless you are getting an equally bad contract coming back.


That's what the ha was for.
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby thehockeyguru on Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:49 pm

pens_CT wrote:
Jim wrote:
ville5 wrote:How much retention would it take to have interest in Andrew Shaw?


Depends on the deal. I'd be willing to do Shaw for Hagelin straight up, ha! $3.9M for Shaw is much better than $6M for some of the other names being discussed.

26 years old, PKer, very nice FO% (although low #), not opposed to contact, potential 40 point guy, maybe more with Kessel...


You are going to have to add from the Penguins side to make such a deal. Nobody is making a one for one trade involving Hagelin unless you are getting an equally bad contract coming back.


Exactly. Take Hanzel for example. He has been a train wreck in Dallas. You'd be looking at taking someone with as much term or maybe a year more with a 4M hit or higher.

You could potentially find your 3C solution in Hanzel or he could be a complete flop and you have him for an additional year. So for me, to move Hagelin for another bad contract isnt very appealing.
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Re: The search for the elusive 3C thread!

Postby ville5 on Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:13 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
Jim wrote:
ville5 wrote:How much retention would it take to have interest in Andrew Shaw?


Depends on the deal. I'd be willing to do Shaw for Hagelin straight up, ha! $3.9M for Shaw is much better than $6M for some of the other names being discussed.

26 years old, PKer, very nice FO% (although low #), not opposed to contact, potential 40 point guy, maybe more with Kessel...


You are going to have to add from the Penguins side to make such a deal. Nobody is making a one for one trade involving Hagelin unless you are getting an equally bad contract coming back.


Exactly. Take Hanzel for example. He has been a train wreck in Dallas. You'd be looking at taking someone with as much term or maybe a year more with a 4M hit or higher.

You could potentially find your 3C solution in Hanzel or he could be a complete flop and you have him for an additional year. So for me, to move Hagelin for another bad contract isnt very appealing.

I'm not sure you'd have to take a bad contract back. If you truly wanted to dump Hags, I'm sure Arizona would take a year and a half of his salary for a 3rd.
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