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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby Steve on Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:04 pm

Owchar76 wrote:
KG wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:Report today says Maatta is looking pretty good, more like rookie year Maatta. Skating looks better.


Wow. That would be amazing! Exciting news if he can regain his rookie form.


His rookie form was largely due to being paired with a top 4 defender on the 3rd pairing and receiving sheltered minutes.


Or his rookie form was pre-cancer, two shoulder surgeries, mumps and an internal bruise near his kidney that required hospitalization.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby Owchar76 on Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:19 pm

Steve wrote:
Owchar76 wrote:
KG wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:Report today says Maatta is looking pretty good, more like rookie year Maatta. Skating looks better.


Wow. That would be amazing! Exciting news if he can regain his rookie form.


His rookie form was largely due to being paired with a top 4 defender on the 3rd pairing and receiving sheltered minutes.


Or his rookie form was pre-cancer, two shoulder surgeries, mumps and an internal bruise near his kidney that required hospitalization.


Sure, could be. If we continue to see the same old Maatta from the last couple seasons, then we'll know that Niskanen was the reason he looked so good.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:25 am

Pensburgh quick summary of players in the game last night:

---Niemi had a strong game, stopping 25 of 27 shots. Good first impression for him in live game action.
---Maatta continued to shine, and was being much more aggressive with the puck and pinching down in the zone, something he did early in his career.
---Sprong and Aston-Reese had good showings
---McClement had a good game
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby Steve on Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:57 am

Owchar76 wrote:
Steve wrote:
Owchar76 wrote:
KG wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:Report today says Maatta is looking pretty good, more like rookie year Maatta. Skating looks better.


Wow. That would be amazing! Exciting news if he can regain his rookie form.


His rookie form was largely due to being paired with a top 4 defender on the 3rd pairing and receiving sheltered minutes.


Or his rookie form was pre-cancer, two shoulder surgeries, mumps and an internal bruise near his kidney that required hospitalization.


Sure, could be. If we continue to see the same old Maatta from the last couple seasons, then we'll know that Niskanen was the reason he looked so good.


Yeah, it could be a combination of many things, maybe it looks worse (the speed) since the team around him is generally much faster than his rookie season. The poor decisions at times is really the big issue though. I'm glad to hear that he's been working hard on his skating and he looks much better so far in camp, I think he has a long successful NHL career in front of him.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:41 pm

I'm going to the game tonight, looking forward to seeing Bengtsson and I've always liked Simon.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby Malkintent on Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:04 pm

Not bad for a 5D.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby FallenHero96 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:56 pm

Anyone with a link to tonights game stream that would work for those not in the viewing area?
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby DelPen on Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:46 pm

Check the penguins reddit, there's one there.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby FallenHero96 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:01 pm

DelPen wrote:Check the penguins reddit, there's one there.


Thanks
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby DelPen on Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:22 pm

This new faceoff rule is stupid. Is trying to solve a problem that didn’t exist like goalies playing the puck in the corners.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby Maestro on Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:00 pm

time to nix the faceoff rule.
Makes the game look stupid.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:03 pm

So, I think what the faceoff penalty is trying to accomplish is correct. They have those marks on the ice for a reason, that is where they want players to lineup, and not cheat. But those marks have been there for several years......why they are just trying to enforce it now is beyond me, but that is the NHL.

I also feel no penalty is involved. You cheat the hashes, get thrown out of the dot. No warning. Someone else will take the draw. Would have the exact same effect, without all the unnecessary power plays.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby Maestro on Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:09 pm

I agree but we all know there aren't going to be 15 penalties a game come OCT.

Greg Mckegg will make the team.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:14 pm

Maestro wrote:I agree but we all know there aren't going to be 15 penalties a game come OCT.

Greg Mckegg will make the team.

Maybe, but if he does, it should be at the expense of Carter Rowney, not as a 3C. I don't see Rowney, McKegg, or McClement as as smart 3C. This team operates better with a more offensive 3C, not a guy that will have a hard time putting up 20 points in a season. McKegg has 9 points in 65 NHL games. McClement hit 30 points 1 time in his career, 10 years ago. Rowney has 7 points in 27 games.

Penguins will have some tough decisions to make, and I think a lot of it will depend on if they get Sheahan.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby Maestro on Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:26 pm

Right. I see wilson/mckegg/reeves
Rowney 13th fwd.
3rd center tbd. They may start talking up AJ for it, but I imagine they will keep working the phone lines for a stop-gap.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby Maestro on Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:28 pm

9 points in 65 games you say? So basically he's Riley Sheahan.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby Pitts on Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:47 pm

Maestro wrote:Greg Mckegg will make the team.

How? Where would he play? roster is pretty darn full as it is.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:30 pm

Maestro wrote:9 points in 65 games you say? So basically he's Riley Sheahan.

Not really at all. Sheahan has hit double digit goals in a season, and topped out at 36 points 2 years ago. Guys have bad years every once in awhile, and Detroit as a whole was not very good.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby pens_CT on Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:34 am

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Maestro wrote:9 points in 65 games you say? So basically he's Riley Sheahan.

Not really at all. Sheahan has hit double digit goals in a season, and topped out at 36 points 2 years ago. Guys have bad years every once in awhile, and Detroit as a whole was not very good.


There is a reason that McKegg has been through multiple organizations before the age of 25, while he might skate well he does not put together any offense. He's a depth center for this organization who can probably fill a 4C role in case of injury.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby Pruezy11881 on Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:09 am

I watched part of the game last night. I will say during that limited time, Blueger was very noticeable...he seems like another Brian Rust out there in his stature and how he plays. McKegg, Simon, Bengsston, and Johnson also looked pretty good IMO. Jake the Snake was all over the place but we already know what he's capable of.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby DelPen on Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:59 am

Borque was selling McKegg hard all night. Granted the guy looked good but so has Blueger and Johnson and honestly factoring in a Rowney too I am fine with two of those 4 getting the two open spots. I’d even throw Simon in too, our wing depth is so few they can compensate for any short comings that would pop up in the first few months.

Bengsston is very noticeable in a good way again.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby pens_CT on Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:26 am

DelPen wrote:Borque was selling McKegg hard all night. Granted the guy looked good but so has Blueger and Johnson and honestly factoring in a Rowney too I am fine with two of those 4 getting the two open spots. I’d even throw Simon in too, our wing depth is so few they can compensate for any short comings that would pop up in the first few months.

Bengsston is very noticeable in a good way again.


Despite the performance to date of the young guys I think Rutherford still makes a move for a guy with NHL experience at Center.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby penny lane on Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:39 am

Maestro wrote:time to nix the faceoff rule.
Makes the game look stupid.


Anytime you see a defenseman take a draw, Oprik last eve, the rule objective has failed.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby BurghThing on Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:00 am

Don't worry, like every year the silly amount of penalties they call will be gone by the second week in October.
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Re: Penguins 2017-2018 Training Camp Notes

Postby longtimefan on Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:54 pm

If the deal in fact is Sheahan for Pouliot, I'm starting to warm to it. Certainly, I prefer a big name like Duchene or Staal, but I'm a fan. Those moves are sexy, but don't keep the team intact, and are expensive. It gives us an asset in return for Pouliot, where any asset is better than none. It also allows them to not have to try to push somebody through waivers they'd likely lose. Not to say they won't make a deal, maybe a forward for a pick, but the urgency isn't there, so they aren't forced into anything. If you kept 14 F and 7 D, you'd still start out with over a million left under the cap.

Sheahan is actually ideal on a few levels. He does check a couple of boxes, being decent at face offs, and being able to kill penalties. He makes just a bit over $2M, which is what JR suggested all along. He's on the last year of his contract. If he doesn't work out, it buys time to see if Johnson or Bluegar are ready. It's such a minor blip on the roster. He's a kid who had a really bad year, but there does appear to be some interest, especially at the deadline. There's a school of thought that he's a major bounce back candidate. The prior three seasons he scored 13, 14, and 9 goals in 42 games his rookie season. Plus, he's more well known for his defense. If it's in fact one for one for Pouliot, you can't lose. Pouliot definitely needs a change, you get a reclamation project like Justin Schultz. Sheahan could rebound, and make it a steal. He may not, and you might let him walk at the end of the year. It's worth it for nothing more than Pouliot.
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