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Matt Murray named to OHL squad

Postby murphydump55 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:26 am

Thunder Bay born Penguins' property continues to shine.

SUPER SAVER: Stellar play between the pipes has earned Matthew Murray an opportunity to suit up for the OHL all-stars against the Russian national junior team as part of this month’s Canadian Hockey League Super Series.
The Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds goaltender was named to both OHL squads that will take on the Russians Nov. 21 in Oshawa and Nov. 25 in Sudbury.
Murray currently tops all OHL netminders in goals-against average at 2.21 and is second in save percentage at .927.

He's attended my friend's goaltending camps in the past and he's very high on him. Hopefully he can continue this play and one of him or Jarry can be our future goaltender.
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Re: Matt Murray named to OHL squad

Postby Penspal on Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:30 am

murphydump55 wrote:Thunder Bay born Penguins' property continues to shine.

SUPER SAVER: Stellar play between the pipes has earned Matthew Murray an opportunity to suit up for the OHL all-stars against the Russian national junior team as part of this month’s Canadian Hockey League Super Series.
The Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds goaltender was named to both OHL squads that will take on the Russians Nov. 21 in Oshawa and Nov. 25 in Sudbury.
Murray currently tops all OHL netminders in goals-against average at 2.21 and is second in save percentage at .927.

He's attended my friend's goaltending camps in the past and he's very high on him. Hopefully he can continue this play and one of him or Jarry can be our future goaltender.


Excellent news, thanks for sharing!
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Re: Matt Murray named to OHL squad

Postby sjnhiils on Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:07 pm

After drafting Murray in the 3rd round and Mcguire in the 4th in 2012, the pens turn around and use the 2nd round pick for Kennedy in 2013 to draft Jarry. Did this mean the Pens weren't that high on Murray? Considering the lack of forwards in the system, I thought they could have used that pick on a winger and not another goalie.
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Re: Matt Murray named to OHL squad

Postby sil on Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:27 pm

The pens were thinner than "paper thin" at goaltender before 2012. One or two prospects doesn't make it solid or deep by any stretch. Just like with any position, they are assets no matter what.
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Re: Matt Murray named to OHL squad

Postby sjnhiils on Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:51 pm

sil wrote:The pens were thinner than "paper thin" at goaltender before 2012. One or two prospects doesn't make it solid or deep by any stretch. Just like with any position, they are assets no matter what.

They are "paper thin" at wing right now too.
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Re: Matt Murray named to OHL squad

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:59 pm

Not as bad as they were at goalie.

Other than Zatkoff and Theissen (does he even play in the system anymore?), the Pens had virtually 0 goalies signed outside of the NHL before the start of last year. There are only 5 goalies in the system now: Hartzell, Jarry, Murray, McGuire, and Pechurskiy (not really sure why he's still listed since he's playing in the KHL for Magnitogorsk).

If for some reason a bunch of goalies got hurt before last year, there were 0 options. Hartzell, Murray, Jarry, etc. were added because we had nothing else.

THAT is paper thin. There are spot replacements for wingers. There were no replacements for goalies. That's why WBS had to sign Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers when Zatkoff had to be forced to the NHL due to Vokoun's injury.
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Re: Matt Murray named to OHL squad

Postby meecrofilm on Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:06 pm

sjnhiils wrote:After drafting Murray in the 3rd round and Mcguire in the 4th in 2012, the pens turn around and use the 2nd round pick for Kennedy in 2013 to draft Jarry. Did this mean the Pens weren't that high on Murray? Considering the lack of forwards in the system, I thought they could have used that pick on a winger and not another goalie.


No. They were just really high on Jarry. A Pens scout on a radio interview a month or so ago said that they liked Jarry so much they would've taken him with their 1st round pick if they had it, and had they also not been able to trade up to draft Lazar.
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Re: Matt Murray named to OHL squad

Postby sjnhiils on Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:09 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Not as bad as they were at goalie.

Other than Zatkoff and Theissen (does he even play in the system anymore?), the Pens had virtually 0 goalies signed outside of the NHL before the start of last year. There are only 5 goalies in the system now: Hartzell, Jarry, Murray, McGuire, and Pechurskiy (not really sure why he's still listed since he's playing in the KHL for Magnitogorsk).

If for some reason a bunch of goalies got hurt before last year, there were 0 options. Hartzell, Murray, Jarry, etc. were added because we had nothing else.

THAT is paper thin. There are spot replacements for wingers. There were no replacements for goalies. That's why WBS had to sign Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers when Zatkoff had to be forced to the NHL due to Vokoun's injury.

Those spot replacements are really helping Malkin now. Between drafting defenseman, trading our picks, and drafting undersized centers the Penguins have shown no commitment to developing wingers in their system. When you are paying Crosby and Malkin top money, as well as big contracts to Letang, Martin and Fleury, you have to be able to do this . Beau Bennett is the only one in the last how many years?
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Re: Matt Murray named to OHL squad

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:19 pm

The point of them being spot replacements is that you don't need to use them if everyone is healthy, and they typically won't play more than 5 or 6 games with the big club. They're virtually meaningless unless players get hurt. Which is why we haven't drafted many, because the forward corps in the NHL is good enough and signed long enough (Crosby and Malkin for 8 years, Dupuis and Kunitz for another 4 years, Neal for 5) that forward depth isn't really a concern until guys in the top 6 get hurt. Also, since the cap is going to inevitably go up, I'm not sure depth this year is a concern. If the cap goes up, we will have the space to sign FA forwards. I don't really see what the problem is. We still have guys like Sill, Zlobin, Marcantuoni, Kuhnhackl, Uher, Gibbons, etc. in WBS in case we need them, and in Megna's case, they can provide decent effort when they have to fill in for a few games.

We had ZERO goalies in the system before last year. ZERO. If for some reason Fleury and Vokoun both got hurt, you were (last year) looking at a tandem Jeff Zatkoff and Brad Theissen, with no viable replacements after that. Remember the 2009-2010 season? Remember how they lost both Fleury and Johnson to injury, and had to not only call up John Curry, but also have to use an emergency recall on Alex Pechurskiy, who was only 19?

That is why they drafted goalies. Since Pechurskiy went back to Russia, they did not have other options aside from the 2 guys in the AHL. At least, with forwards, you could call an AHL'er player up and he could fill in in a pinch. Much easier to replace 1 guy out of 12 or 6 (for defensemen) and maintain your team's level of skill/ability than it is to replace one or both of your NHL goaltenders. You can win in the regular season with crappy forward depth. You can't really win with a crappy goaltender.
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Re: Matt Murray named to OHL squad

Postby sjnhiils on Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:06 pm

MRandall25 wrote:The point of them being spot replacements is that you don't need to use them if everyone is healthy, and they typically won't play more than 5 or 6 games with the big club. They're virtually meaningless unless players get hurt. Which is why we haven't drafted many, because the forward corps in the NHL is good enough and signed long enough (Crosby and Malkin for 8 years, Dupuis and Kunitz for another 4 years, Neal for 5) that forward depth isn't really a concern until guys in the top 6 get hurt. Also, since the cap is going to inevitably go up, I'm not sure depth this year is a concern. If the cap goes up, we will have the space to sign FA forwards. I don't really see what the problem is. We still have guys like Sill, Zlobin, Marcantuoni, Kuhnhackl, Uher, Gibbons, etc. in WBS in case we need them, and in Megna's case, they can provide decent effort when they have to fill in for a few games.

We had ZERO goalies in the system before last year. ZERO. If for some reason Fleury and Vokoun both got hurt, you were (last year) looking at a tandem Jeff Zatkoff and Brad Theissen, with no viable replacements after that. Remember the 2009-2010 season? Remember how they lost both Fleury and Johnson to injury, and had to not only call up John Curry, but also have to use an emergency recall on Alex Pechurskiy, who was only 19?

That is why they drafted goalies. Since Pechurskiy went back to Russia, they did not have other options aside from the 2 guys in the AHL. At least, with forwards, you could call an AHL'er player up and he could fill in in a pinch. Much easier to replace 1 guy out of 12 or 6 (for defensemen) and maintain your team's level of skill/ability than it is to replace one or both of your NHL goaltenders. You can win in the regular season with crappy forward depth. You can't really win with a crappy goaltender.

Just thought with having Murray,Mcguire,Zatkoff and Hartzell we could still get a goaltender in the later rounds. Calvin Petersen was ranked right behind Jarry and went in the fifth round this past draft. Maybe Fluery's playoff performance panicked them. Anyway, good discussion. At least it was a lot more civil than our Orpik/Niskanen and Liles debate
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