FLPensFan wrote: Defence21 wrote: FLPensFan wrote:
Nizzy wrote:I'd bring back Iglina.
I just threw up in my mouth reading that.
I get a kick out of people here. You "threw up in your mouth" reading that. He may not be the best option or a first choice, but he's far from a bad choice, and extremely far from vomit-inducing. It's hyperbole, I get it. But come on...
Again, everyone has their opinion. Not saying mine is right. As a PP guy, sure. But he was nothing special at even strength. Playoffs and regular season, he scored 9 goals; 7 were on the power-play. I keep saying this team needs to add a "tougher, skilled forward," unfortunately, I don't think Iginla plays that type of game anymore, or is seriously on the decline. I watched the guy time and time again lose puck battles along the boards and get knocked off the puck. Iginla of 5 years ago in a heartbeat, but not the Iginla I saw play for the Pens. Not to mention, why bother having him in the top-6 if Bylsma is going to misuse him constantly. He never tried him with Crosby at all.
I just want the Pens to go out and make some moves to fit what the team needs to be better, and that isn't saying they need to go out 5 million dollars on a player. Some examples:
-Jussi Jokinen is a center. Sure he can play wing, but he isn't as effective there (see playoffs). Too expensive luxury player. Can fill his role cheaper.
-Joe Vitale, from my observations, was being groomed to take over the 4th line C duties from Adams. He hasn't progressed, and Pens are looking to resign Adams.
-Dustin Jeffrey, I really, really like. I think he can be more than a 3rd/4th line guy, but I don't think he is going to get a consistent look in the top 6.
-Harry Zolnierczyk....why do we need another small forward on our 4th line.
Go out and get some bigger bodies for the 4th line. Go out and get some guys who can PK, especially if we lose Dupuis and/or Cooke. The Pens worry so much about keeping their core that they just scrap together whatever parts they have laying around for the 3rd and 4th lines. It would not take them much to build a decent 3rd line that could be a defensive specialist line. Sutter and Cooke are fine there. Go find someone else like a Nystrom or other player that can help that line cycle, play responsible defense, and score some goals too. It wouldn't take much to upgrade the 4th line with a bit more size, and use them to go out and hit and wear opponents down a bit, without taking stupid penalties. A guy like Jerred Smithson whose 6'3"/6'4", great PK guy, blocks shots, throws hits. The Pens would rather keep a guy with NHL experience around and plug him into a role he is really not suited for, instead of going out and getting somebody that is a better fit for the same money or giving a guy from the minors a chance to step in.
Definitely agree that opinions are like arseholes -- we all have one and they all stink. But I disagree with most evrything else...
If Iginla returns, it most likely will be because Dupuis leaves. If that's the case, he'll more than likely be played in his natural RW position, which will allow him to play with Crosby, and to have more success in puck battles along the boards (where playing your natural wing might have the most benefits). Do I see him as an elite player? No, but the Penguins can't afford another elite player and I suspect he'd be a better player on that line than most any other free agent within the scope of reality.
As for your points...
- Jokinen is a center and I could take or leave him. He wasn't given much of a chance on a scoring line with a star center, so let's not rule out how effective he could be there. That said, if he goes (which I doubt happens), I won't be happy or mad. I'll be indifferent.
- Vitale has been the fourth line center, but was bumped by more experienced players in the playoffs. I don't like that this happened, but it did. Still, Adams is not a center and Vitale will be centering the fourth line again this season, as he did all last season.
- I don't disagree on Jeffrey.
- Who says Zolnierczyk even makes the big club? They acquired him in a trade for a never-will-be. He's depth. Maybe he proves his way onto the roster. Maybe not. Either way, he's fast and physical, which are things you want out of your fourth liners -- regardless of size.
- Bylsma's system isn't built for slower, bigger players, hence the smaller sized roster built around skating. Glass, a bigger, slower player was brought in last summer and look what happened. It didn't work.
- You suggest adding third liners who can PK and score goals will be easy. I disagree. It will be extremely difficult to add these players, given that they're a rare commodity. The Penguins fetched a 2nd rounder for TK (!!), who will be making at least $2 million per season, despite being a healthy scratch during some of the playoff games.
- Smithson would be nice.
- Pens try to keep players whom they are familiar with and know what they can bring to the table. For example, they know Adams is limited, but in his role, he works perfectly (even if many fans disagree). There's no guarantee that will be the case with external free agents (see Glass, for example).
- Lastly, I disgaree that the third/fourth lines are a jumbled mess. Cooke-Sutter-TK was fine until TK stopped playing, and then Bylsma was left to fill gaps. The fourth line of Adams-Vitale-Glass has size (Glass), grit (all three), speed (Vitale), and defensive awareness (Vitale and Adams). It's more similar to most fourth lines than you might think. And, again, salary cap plays into this, When you've got a lot of money tied up in the top liners and top defenders, the bottom lines and bottom defense pairs won't be nearly as balanced as on other teams, where they space their salaries out much more evenly.