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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby mikey287 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:33 pm

Gotcha. Yes, Komisarek is a major crease clearer, I wonder about his ability to clear the zone though. Not a lot of puck skills. Upgrade on Engelland? Eh...hard to say. And if that's the case, then, is it worth it...?
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby pens_CT on Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:43 pm

i'd give Dumoulin and/or Bertuzzo a chance before we pick up somebody elses buyout trash. Why do we have these d-men in the system if we refuse to use them?
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Pavel Bure on Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:43 pm

mikey287 wrote:Gotcha. Yes, Komisarek is a major crease clearer, I wonder about his ability to clear the zone though. Not a lot of puck skills. Upgrade on Engelland? Eh...hard to say. And if that's the case, then, is it worth it...?

If he'd come at 1.5M I think it'd be worth it. Not that he's great by any means but he is a better skater than Murray is... It seems like when he got that big contract from the Leafs he took that to mean that he had to shoulder everything. In a reduced role without him having those expectations I have the wishful thinking of him regaining some of the form that made him a solid guy in Montreal. Besides how hard can chipping the puck of the glass be.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby mikey287 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:39 pm

One thing I'll say about Komi, and I dislike people from Long Island in general, but he handled everything in Toronto...that whole circus with his contract, and the scratching, and the demotion, and the waivers and the inability to trade him, and all that noise like such a true professional. He didn't sulk, he didn't whine about it, he wasn't knocking on office doors everyday asking if he should get dressed even...he was a positive influence on the Marlies (AHL club) by all accounts. That says a lot about the character of him to me.

That said, only if Murray and Engelland are out of here do I even remotely consider signing him...he's very slow too, only a marginally better skater than Murray last I saw...probably not even as good of a skater than Engo, maybe slightly better laterally...
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Gaucho on Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:26 pm

mikey287 wrote:Upgrade on Engelland? Eh...hard to say. And if that's the case, then, is it worth it...?


No.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby SolidSnake on Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:38 pm

Lapierre please
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Sarcastic on Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:19 pm

Some size and grit at forward, please.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby SolidSnake on Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:25 pm

2 year deal or more and a Lapierre jersey will be mine
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Pavel Bure on Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:53 pm

Well I was spot on with the Ballard salary. Just not here.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Nizzy on Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:45 pm

mikey287 wrote:One thing I'll say about Komi, and I dislike people from Long Island in general, but he handled everything in Toronto...that whole circus with his contract, and the scratching, and the demotion, and the waivers and the inability to trade him, and all that noise like such a true professional. He didn't sulk, he didn't whine about it, he wasn't knocking on office doors everyday asking if he should get dressed even...he was a positive influence on the Marlies (AHL club) by all accounts. That says a lot about the character of him to me.

That said, only if Murray and Engelland are out of here do I even remotely consider signing him...he's very slow too, only a marginally better skater than Murray last I saw...probably not even as good of a skater than Engo, maybe slightly better laterally...


Nice Mike. Yeah I still think Murray is a better option than Komi. I liked Murray, he seems like a great lockerroom guy. I really hope he can be brought back for the bottom pair. Our defense needs some Grit. Need someone to "break Holmstroms back". Haven't had that since Gill.

Engelland is like...hey I'm not afraid to throw punches, but I have no idea how to clear a crease. o.o its like he doesnt even make sense.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby mikey287 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:49 pm

Noted difference that I've pointed out for years. Clear differences often exist between a #6 and a #7 defenseman. One is an NHL regular, one is not. I believe you are alluding to that in your last line. It's of great note.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Nizzy on Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:52 pm

mikey287 wrote:Noted difference that I've pointed out for years. Clear differences often exist between a #6 and a #7 defenseman. One is an NHL regular, one is not. I believe you are alluding to that in your last line. It's of great note.



Good point. I look at Engelland as a #7. Bylsma's never let a chance go to make him the #6. This is why I reset Bylsma...using Engelland so much more over Despres/Bortuzzo, just because Engelland throws a punch? Engelland did have stretches of games where he played good though. I just didn't like the dangling of the rookie defenseman.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Pavel Bure on Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:55 pm

Nizzy wrote:
mikey287 wrote:One thing I'll say about Komi, and I dislike people from Long Island in general, but he handled everything in Toronto...that whole circus with his contract, and the scratching, and the demotion, and the waivers and the inability to trade him, and all that noise like such a true professional. He didn't sulk, he didn't whine about it, he wasn't knocking on office doors everyday asking if he should get dressed even...he was a positive influence on the Marlies (AHL club) by all accounts. That says a lot about the character of him to me.

That said, only if Murray and Engelland are out of here do I even remotely consider signing him...he's very slow too, only a marginally better skater than Murray last I saw...probably not even as good of a skater than Engo, maybe slightly better laterally...


Nice Mike. Yeah I still think Murray is a better option than Komi. I liked Murray, he seems like a great lockerroom guy. I really hope he can be brought back for the bottom pair. Our defense needs some Grit. Need someone to "break Holmstroms back". Haven't had that since Gill.

Engelland is like...hey I'm not afraid to throw punches, but I have no idea how to clear a crease. o.o its like he doesnt even make sense.

Komi is younger and most likely cheaper. Also as Mikey said above is quite the professional and seems grateful for what he is given even if it means being humbled. I'd say that's a hell of an example for young guys.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Pavel Bure on Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:30 pm

And... Komi goes for 700k
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby taz71 on Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:15 am

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My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
Jussi Jokinen ($2.100m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Matt D'Agostini ($0.550m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Beau Bennett ($0.900m)
Tanner Glass ($1.100m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Craig Adams ($0.700m)
Dustin Jeffrey ($0.688m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Rob Scuderi ($3.375m) / Kris Letang ($3.500m)
Brooks Orpik ($3.750m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Matt Niskanen ($2.300m) / Simon Despres ($0.840m)
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Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
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We don't have to trade nisky now
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby taz71 on Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:05 am

I think right now we can move either Niskanen or Jokinen to get that desired cap cushion Shero has typically required but times are changing. With the D'Agostini signing the PENS aren't handcuffed into trading or buying out Nisky.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby André on Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:13 am

Looking at Edmonton (which I'm always tempted at doing) Gagner is still not extended and that is interesting as I think they've filled their top six with Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, Hemsky and now Perron. They do need a steady D-man and some physicality, and why not a goalie as well. Gagner was great last year and can play wing as well as center.

Fleury and Niskanen to Edmonton for the rights to Gagner. A few years ago that'd been steep for the Pens but face it, Fleury's a salary dump. There's his upside still and they might think it's worth the shot. Yes they must extend Schultz, Petry and RNH next year but both their goalies are signed for just one more year. Fleury for only two more so he's not that much of a burden. They might like the idea of him and Dubnyk battling in net. They might want Orpik over Niskanen, but that doesn't really fit there cap so I'm doing it this way =) I'm also signing Thomas to a one year, 1 mil deal. Gagner gets an contract at 4 mil/year.

Yeah the Oilers are likely more interested in moving Hemsky than Gagner and I don't see the Pens dumping Fleury and having two oldies in net, but this is always fun to play around with.

My Custom Lineup

FORWARDS

Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
Sam Gagner ($4.000m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Jussi Jokinen ($2.100m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Matt D'Agostini ($0.550m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Craig Adams ($0.700m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m)
Tanner Glass ($1.100m) /

DEFENSEMEN

Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Rob Scuderi ($3.375m)
Deryk Engelland ($0.567m) / Simon Despres ($0.840m)

GOALTENDERS

Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
Tim Thomas ($1.000m)
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CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,426,667

That's 2.5 mil for whoever's 7th D.

God Fleury's contract is an anchor.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Gaucho on Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:48 am

Tim Thomas at $1 million? What did I miss?
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby columbia on Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:52 am

Andre signed him.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Gaucho on Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:08 am

Convenient, that. Why pay Gagner more than half a million then?
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby RisslingsMissingTeeth on Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:25 am

I refuse to look at any line-up that doesn't have Bennett at least on the 2nd line. It isn't that I actually believe DB, it is that I think he is that good and should be developed like a top line forward next season.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Take the Body Shoot the Puck on Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:40 am

At least switch Bennett and D'Agostini.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Gaucho on Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:48 am

As I've stated before, what I like about Bennett is that he can play in a Top 6 role, but he's also savvy and good enough to play on the 3rd line. In fact, I think I'd rather have him on Sutter's wing for now.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby DelPen on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:03 am

Gaucho wrote:As I've stated before, what I like about Bennett is that he can play in a Top 6 role, but he's also savvy and good enough to play on the 3rd line. In fact, I think I'd rather have him on Sutter's wing for now.


Jokinen on Malkin''s LW is actually a smart move so you can have another faceoff guy out there. Jokinen is not a soft player and plays some good two-way hockey and he finishes. He's a good compliment to Malkin and Neal.

I also agree Bennett can learn more playing a more responsible role on the 3rd line on either wing. His future on this team is as a LW so let him learn that with less pressure to score.

I think this is the team we start the season with unless Bortuzzo replaces Engellend. The limit before a contract shielded in the AHL hits your cap is $925,000. We need another $40,000 free to even be able to send Glass to WBS so scratch that idea, although no one has presented it.

I highly doubt Burtuzzo would be awarded anything more than $925 so he can be sent to WBS if need be, rather try to move Engellend though first if Bortuzzo is not awarded more than $690,000, anything more we can't keep him without moving Nisky.

Pouliot also can't be in the NHL due to cap reasons unless Nisky or Letang go on IR. Dumoulin, Harrington and Samuelsson all make less then Engellend's contract plus cap space so they can come up as well to replace anyone on the defense if they go on IR.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby shmenguin on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:04 am

Gaucho wrote:As I've stated before, what I like about Bennett is that he can play in a Top 6 role, but he's also savvy and good enough to play on the 3rd line. In fact, I think I'd rather have him on Sutter's wing for now.


i don't think him skating around by himself in the offensive zone is the best way to cultivate his talents. sutter doesn't play nice with his linemates. stick someone more resilient with him - not a guy who still needs a little coddling.
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