Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby DelPen on Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:34 am

Way off
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby FLPensFan on Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:35 am

This team played well for the first 25-40 minutes. They were doing well limiting chances, and they just stopped playing. Never seen that before from this team. :roll:
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby DelPen on Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:38 am

FLPensFan wrote:This team played well for the first 25-40 minutes. They were doing well limiting chances, and they just stopped playing. Never seen that before from this team. :roll:


We had 4 mistakes end up in our net. Jarry overstated on the 1st, Dumo refused to do anything to defend the pass or shot on 2nd, Sid let his man deflect a wide puck in and Dumo again forgot Defense 101.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby HellsKitchen7 on Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:39 am

FLPensFan wrote:This team played well for the first 25-40 minutes. They were doing well limiting chances, and they just stopped playing. Never seen that before from this team. :roll:

It's like watching another playoff game against the islanders. Dominate the shots, dominate posession, can't figure out how to score consistently.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby offsides on Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:41 am

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FLPensFan wrote:This team played well for the first 25-40 minutes. They were doing well limiting chances, and they just stopped playing. Never seen that before from this team. :roll:

It's like watching another playoff game against the islanders. Dominate the shots, dominate posession, can't figure out how to score consistently.

And can't stop them from getting odd man breaks.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby DelPen on Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:45 am

Remember that one game where Kapanen looked like an NHL player? Good times.

This team needs a shakeup on defense. Get rid of one of the lefties for a better rightly than Chad and play Joseph or Riikola.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby offsides on Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:47 am

Guess I stayed up for nada. Maybe we can win over the much weaker Canucks Saturday.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby DelPen on Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:50 am

offsides wrote:Guess I stayed up for nada. Maybe we can win over the much weaker Canucks Saturday.

Is Dumoulin playing and O’Connor scratched? If yes, we aren’t winning.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby SteelCityFan on Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:36 am

I think everyone should be excited that we scored more than 1 goal tonight. Unless we play 6 on 5 for the majority of the game we shouldn’t expect more than 1 goal a game. This team is in need of a major shake up. They should be dumping salary and accruing draft picks. This is supposed to be a deep draft this year. Start stocking up on picks now.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby Southern Fan on Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:27 am

So was Tippett aware that our first line and first pairing is ineffective defensively and made sure his first line was out there against them, or

Did Sullivan think he could counter the Oilers first line with the Pens first line?

Lines 2 thru 4 and the penalty killers did a decent job.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby KG on Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:34 am

Sid a -4 last night. Now a -8 for the season. Definitely easing into it, it seems.

That said MP was a positive player and is +11 in 19 games. Props to him. He’s been very effective this season. Surprisingly.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby KG on Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:13 am

See Kappy was benched. The “second” line has never shown consistent chemistry. Kappy, Carter, Zucker is a dud of a line.

God forbid Sully switches things up. Ridiculously stubborn.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby Toke on Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:46 am

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Kappy and Carter do not mesh. Give Kappy some time on Sid's line. At this point it's at least worth a shot.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby Pruezy11881 on Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:56 am

KG wrote:See Kappy was benched. The “second” line has never shown consistent chemistry. Kappy, Carter, Zucker is a dud of a line.

God forbid Sully switches things up. Ridiculously stubborn.

Zucker and Kappy don't work together, period. It doesn't work with Carter and it didn't work with Geno. Zucker and Carter worked last year, Zucker worked with Sid when he was acquired and never put there again.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby BlackNGold4Life on Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:38 am

I’d put Zucker with Sid and Erod with carter. Carter goes to net and seems to play allot with the puck. Also, need to try DOC on Carter’s line. They play a complimentary game.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby FLPensFan on Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:47 am

I'm not a fan of the "expected" analytics stats, however, the Penguins are currently dead last in the league in Goals Scored Above Expected at -16.3. Essentially, this means they currently suck at finishing their chances.

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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby Wyopen on Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:29 am

FLPensFan wrote:I'm not a fan of the "expected" analytics stats, however, the Penguins are currently dead last in the league in Goals Scored Above Expected at -16.3. Essentially, this means they currently suck at finishing their chances.

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Where do you find all these statistics? You have numbers for everything. Any info on the stock market? Lol.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby murphydump55 on Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:49 am

Pruezy11881 wrote:
KG wrote:See Kappy was benched. The “second” line has never shown consistent chemistry. Kappy, Carter, Zucker is a dud of a line.

God forbid Sully switches things up. Ridiculously stubborn.

Zucker and Kappy don't work together, period. It doesn't work with Carter and it didn't work with Geno. Zucker and Carter worked last year, Zucker worked with Sid when he was acquired and never put there again.


Not true.

Here’s another little goals for-against stat I came across.
With Zucker-Carter-Kapanen on the ice 5 on 5, Pens have been outscored 4-1.
With Zucker, Kapanen and any other center, Pens have outscored opponents 7-1.
Roughly the same number of minutes.

As per JB.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby ville5 on Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:13 am

murphydump55 wrote:
Pruezy11881 wrote:
KG wrote:See Kappy was benched. The “second” line has never shown consistent chemistry. Kappy, Carter, Zucker is a dud of a line.

God forbid Sully switches things up. Ridiculously stubborn.

Zucker and Kappy don't work together, period. It doesn't work with Carter and it didn't work with Geno. Zucker and Carter worked last year, Zucker worked with Sid when he was acquired and never put there again.


Not true.

Here’s another little goals for-against stat I came across.
With Zucker-Carter-Kapanen on the ice 5 on 5, Pens have been outscored 4-1.
With Zucker, Kapanen and any other center, Pens have outscored opponents 7-1.
Roughly the same number of minutes.

As per JB.

A- what is roughly the same minutes?
B- what is man-advantage time for with Carter as C and m-a time for with Cs other than Carter?
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby Ericf on Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:23 am

murphydump55 wrote:
Pruezy11881 wrote:
KG wrote:See Kappy was benched. The “second” line has never shown consistent chemistry. Kappy, Carter, Zucker is a dud of a line.

God forbid Sully switches things up. Ridiculously stubborn.

Zucker and Kappy don't work together, period. It doesn't work with Carter and it didn't work with Geno. Zucker and Carter worked last year, Zucker worked with Sid when he was acquired and never put there again.


Not true.

Here’s another little goals for-against stat I came across.
With Zucker-Carter-Kapanen on the ice 5 on 5, Pens have been outscored 4-1.
With Zucker, Kapanen and any other center, Pens have outscored opponents 7-1.
Roughly the same number of minutes.

As per JB.


Yep, it’s not Zucker or Kap, but Carter….Zucker-ERod-Kap was very good. ERod should be 2C while Geno is still out and Carter should be moved to third line or wing…he’s not playing nearly as well as last season and he’s playing too many minutes
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Re: Official GDT: Pens @ Oilers 12/1/21

Postby FLPensFan on Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:51 am

Ericf wrote:
murphydump55 wrote:
Pruezy11881 wrote:
KG wrote:See Kappy was benched. The “second” line has never shown consistent chemistry. Kappy, Carter, Zucker is a dud of a line.

God forbid Sully switches things up. Ridiculously stubborn.

Zucker and Kappy don't work together, period. It doesn't work with Carter and it didn't work with Geno. Zucker and Carter worked last year, Zucker worked with Sid when he was acquired and never put there again.


Not true.

Here’s another little goals for-against stat I came across.
With Zucker-Carter-Kapanen on the ice 5 on 5, Pens have been outscored 4-1.
With Zucker, Kapanen and any other center, Pens have outscored opponents 7-1.
Roughly the same number of minutes.

As per JB.


Yep, it’s not Zucker or Kap, but Carter….Zucker-ERod-Kap was very good. ERod should be 2C while Geno is still out and Carter should be moved to third line or wing…he’s not playing nearly as well as last season and he’s playing too many minutes

This is correct. Here are the rough/rounded numbers:

Zucker-Carter-Kapanen, 123 minutes at 5v5. Corsi, Fenwick, Shots, Goals, Expected Goals, are all in the 43-48% range, which means they are giving up more chances, shots, goals than they are generating. 1GF, 4GA while on the ice.

Zucker-X-Kapanen, 128 minutes at 5v5. Corsi, Fenwick, Shots, Goals, Expected Goals, are all in the 63-68% range, which means they are 63-68% range, which is very good. 7GF, 1GA while on the ice. Rodrigues makes up 102 of those 128 minutes away from Jeff Carter.

I have said for awhile that Sullivan sometimes cannot get out of his own way. Often, he tries to outsmart himself. With Malkin close to being back, he should be working on getting things a little closer to "normal." Put Carter on the 3rd line, and let him start developing some line chemistry with someone other than Zucker and Kapanen. My preference would be Carter with DOC and Heinen.

Sullivan did change up the lines yesterday, but, it isn't going to be enough help:

Line 1 and Line 2 were pretty constant in practice, with Heinen taking Kapanen's spot with Carter and Zucker. 1st line remained Jake, Sid, E-Rod.
Line 3 had 2 iterations, one was DOC-Blueger-Kapanen, and the other was McGinn-Blueger-Kapanen
Line 4 had 2 iterations, one was ZAR-Lafferty-Simon, and the other was ZAR-DOC-Simon.

My hunch says McGinn was unavailable for the first part of practice, and when he was available, that 2nd set of 3rd/4th lines is what we see tonight, with DOC as 4C and Lafferty sharing nachos with Boyle.
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